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1 | Is Universalism Scriptural | Lev 16:34 | nicko715 | 198730 | ||
Val, I don't know what denomination teaches this. The church I attend doesn't, but it's still a great body of believers. This view has come from years of wrestling with certain issues and much studying (Scripture and other writers). The fact that God will ultimately reconcile all seems to fit more properly with how God describes Himself in Scripture. Here are a few that compare His anger and His mercy Psalms 30.5 - For his anger endureth but a moment; in his favour is life: weeping may endure for a night, but joy cometh in the morning. Psalms 103.8 - The LORD is merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and plenteous in mercy. Psalms 148.8-9 - The LORD is gracious, and full of compassion; slow to anger, and of great mercy. The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works. Lamen 3.31-33 – for the Lord will not cast off forever: But though he cause grief, yet will he have compassion according to the multitude of his mercies. For he doth not afflict willingly nor grieve the children of men. Jonah 4.2 - And he prayed unto the LORD, and said, I pray thee, O LORD, was not this my saying, when I was yet in my country? Therefore I fled before unto Tarshish: for I knew that thou art a gracious God, and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repentest thee of the evil. Micah 7.18-19 - Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retaineth not his anger forever, because he delighteth in mercy. He will turn again, he will have compassion upon us; he will subdue our iniquities; and thou wilt cast all their sins into the depths of the sea. God's mercy is always described as greater than His anger. Jesus tells us to love our enemies so that we can be perfect like our Father in Heaven (Matt 5:43-48), yet we are taught that He will hate them and burn them forever. Anyway, I started to ramble on. I do not know which (if any) denomination will teach this. Nick |
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2 | Is Universalism Scriptural | Lev 16:34 | CDBJ | 198756 | ||
Hi Nick, All of the verses that you mentioned are absolutely true in fact to prove it, God Himself, came into the world and paid the awesome price that the righteousness of God demanded for each one of us. Acts 20:28 Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood. Where the problem comes in is when anyone reject or refuse what God has done for them in the person of His Son Jesus. God will not force anyone to accept His gracious gift of eternal life, which actually resides “in” the person Jesus. 1 John 5:11 And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. It’s like throwing a life line to a drowning man and he down right refuses to take hold and be hauled in. After refusing “all” possible attempt the ship must sail on, even though the drowning man is in the middle of the ocean and sinking. There are only two alternatives in this life. God’s provision for eternal life in Christ or what God has prepared for the devil and his angels. When anyone refuses God’s Son they are sealing their own fate. God only has one plan for mankind’s rescue and that fantastic plan resides in the One and only precious Messiah of God; Jesus The Christ. 2 Cor. 5:21 For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. God “can’t possibly” help anyone that doesn’t rely “totally” on Jesus Christ for their eternal life. If God would save them anyway it would jeopardize God’s character and make Him a liar. John 3:36 He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him." CDBJ |
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3 | Is Universalism Scriptural | Lev 16:34 | nicko715 | 198768 | ||
Hello CDBJ, Thank you for your response. I spent the majority of my 33 years saying basically what you have just said. However, many of the inconsistencies in that reasoning gnawed at me. For example, you mention the life raft to a drowning man analogy. After refusing "all" possible attempts, the ship must sail on. God doesn't exhaust "all" possible attempts. He blinded Saul/Paul and spoke in an audible voice to him. If He did that to others, would they not follow Him? He is in absolute control of Satan and will even bind him for a thousand years. If He did that right now, how many more would follow Him? How about a child born to a Muslim family. They spend their entire life being taught something contrary to Scripture and get maybe one chance to hear an American tell them of Christ and this is exhausting "all" possible attempts? These are the type of inconsistencies that kept confusing me. Or for another example from your email, you said God "can't possibly" help anyone that doesn't rely "totally" on Jesus Christ for their eternal life...or it would make Him a liar. The first problem is saying "God can't". That is pretty much a contradiction of God. God is all powerful, there is nothing He can't do! Secondly, God makes the rules. He isn't so shortsighted that He made a rule that now He is required to uphold or else become a liar. I mean, He isn't saying "oh man, I really don't want them to burn forever, but now I have to let them because those are the rules I put in place." He isn't that easily fooled. Again, this just doesn't hold up rationally. And finally, if God is truly a God of love (and I think we all agree there), then at the bear minimum why could He not just extinguish those who reject Him? Why does He decide to torture them forever? How can those two ideas be said to coexist logically. These are some of the questions I struggled with. What do you think about the questions I asked myself (and now ask you)? Thank you for your time, Nick |
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4 | Is Universalism Scriptural | Lev 16:34 | Val | 198776 | ||
Nick the best way to understand the living God is to look at what He says in His word. Is there a particular passage you would like to start with? | ||||||
5 | Is Universalism Scriptural | Lev 16:34 | nicko715 | 198806 | ||
Val, Thank you for your response. No, there is not a particular passage with which I would like to start. Obviously I am a Universalist. I do believe Jesus is the Son of God and died for our sins and God raised him up and that He is the only way we are made right with God. I just believe...let's just say differently about the end of it all. At this point, it will obviously just spur on debate, which Doc has kindly (and correctly) pointed out to me is not the point of the forum, so I will not bring up any further verses. If you would like to see why I think the Scriptures teach universalism or would like to share with me why you believe it does not, just email me (in profile). Thank you again. Nick |
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