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NASB | Leviticus 16:34 "Now you shall have this as a permanent statute, to make atonement for the sons of Israel for all their sins once every year." And just as the LORD had commanded Moses, so he did. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Leviticus 16:34 "This shall be a permanent statute for you, so that atonement may be made for the children of Israel for all their sins once a year." So he did just as the LORD had commanded Moses. |
Subject: Does it take away sins or not? |
Bible Note: Gentlemen, I had to read Jim's site about three times before I could see where he was going with the Argument argument. I'm not saying that I agree with his conclusions, but I did find them interesting. I, too, agree that the world (and, in fact, Christendom) believes in many different Jesuses (I'm not sure how to spell the plural of Jesus, maybe it should be Jesi). But I do think that we all tend to create God in our image to some extent. We all have filters that we perceive truth through. Please, Joe and Tim, do not take what I am about to say as a personal attack. I respect you both. You both have been helpful to me in different aspects and I appreciate it. But, brothers, you cannot be both right if the issue is as diametrically opposed as you insist. I have to admit, I have not studied Calvinism or Armenianism at all. Not one wit. Why? Because of the arguing present over it. There is a staunch, 5-point Calvinist at my church (his label, not mine) who has the most hateful things to say about Armenianists that I left his Sunday School class. Is this my problem? Could be. But I did not view the issue as edifying to the body of Christ at all. (Joe, I am not pointing at you, brother. You have never come close to saying some of the things this Calvinist has said.) Does my lack of understanding in this area cause a deficiency in my understanding of the plan of salvation and God's nature? Not from my perspective. Why? Because I believe that everything that we need to know to be saved is in the scripture and the same Holy Spirit that revealed the meaning to Calvin and to Armenius will reveal the meaning to me. God does not say that He would send Calvin and Armenius to remind us of what Christ said or to lead us into all truth. He gives us the Holy Spirit to do so as we humbly submit ourselves to having our minds renewed by God's Word and the mind of Christ available to us. What does Calvinism or Armenianism add to the gospel of Jesus Christ? Once you are saved, does it matter one wit whether you chose or whether God did? For those who are not saved, do we have the right to decide who the chosen are and are not? Now, you're probably both, Joe and Tim, saying, "Bill doesn't understand my view at all." This is true. But it is also true that what little I do understand of the argument has led me to 'perceive' the argument as I've stated it, whether my perception is correct or not. This is the connotation it presents to me. Again, is it my problem? Probably. But, from my perspective, God has had true believers all down through the centuries that have placed their hope and trust in Christ alone as revealed through the scriptures by the Holy Spirit. How either Calvin or Armenius could add anything to the full revelation of God through Jesus Christ is beyond me. I believe that if you try to add ANYTHING to the gospel, then you detract from it. To insist that God has given a 'fuller' revelation to any one individual then what His Word says smacks of favoritism (which God does not show) and the beginnings of cultish theology. We are ALL of one Spirit if we are in Christ. We were ALL baptized into His body, the church. In closing, I agree that truth is important. That was one thing that Jim said that did make sense. We are all growing in our knowledge of grace and truth and the love of our Lord. Jesus, as Jim said, is the embodiment of grace and truth. We cannot find either apart from Him. Well, I've said enough. Grace and peace to you both. I love you both in the Lord. Now, on to really important matters...Did God predestine for a certain number of angels to dance on the head of a pin, or do the angels, having free will, choose who will and will not? :) In Christ, Bill Mc |