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1 | origin of the devil | Ezek 28:13 | jonp | 184204 | ||
Hi, I have just made another posting answering a question that arrived earlier than yours, but I will not just pass you on again. You might think I am trying to avoid you :-))) Perhaps we should first consider Geneis 3.22. Who did the 'us' include then? There it sounds far more likely to me that He is including moral beings who have seen for themselves the consequences of the fall of Satan and thus have come to the experience of 'knowing good and evil', than just a conversation with Himself. And this especially as He will then despatch the Cherubim to guard the way to the tree of life (3.24). I agree wholeheartedly that creation was His work, and His work alone. But I have often said to my children 'let us do this' when my intention was to do it myself, with the simple aim of drawing them in on my plans. Then they felt that they had a part in it. Thus to me God is drawing in to His plans the angels who in the future will have a duty to serve the heirs of salvation (Henbrews 1.14). They would recognise from this that it had been their charge from the beginning. After all if He can draw me in on His plans, how much more the angels who always do His bidding? But I have no wish to alter an entrenched position. I hold my view because 1) I cannot see how when God clearly purposes in the Old Testament to establish His oneness over against men's polytheistic ideas (Exodus 20.2; Deuteronomy 6.5-6) He would undermine the idea here. 2). Because no one who read these words from an Old Testament perspecive could possibly have seen it as referring to the triune God. 3). Because the revelation of the triunity of God is so important that while there are certainly hints in the Old Testament, it could not really be presented fully until the coming of Jesus without seeming to give a concession to polytheism. Best wishes Jonp |
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2 | origin of the devil | Ezek 28:13 | following him | 184321 | ||
Hello jonp: It has been a while since I’ve had the chance to participate on this forum. But I have been able to at times take a quick look into a few of the discussions going on and have decided that I would like to weigh in on this one “briefly” if no one objects. I think you are forgetting some scriptural references here that should shed some light on this subject. Your foundational scripture Gen 1:26 is dealing first of all primarily with the creation of mankind within the context of the rest of creation. If you examine Gen 1;1-2 “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.” (Gen 1:1-2 NASB) You will see that the whole of creation is centered around God who was doing it without the help or counsel of angels yet the key point I would like you to see is that in verse 2 a different member of the trinity is spoken of as having intimate involvement with the creation. That would be the Spirit of God or as we call Him the Holy Spirit. We have now two members of the Godhead involved in creation. But what about the third? Well in Colossians we have the answer. “He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.” (Col 1:15-17 NASB) And since all three members of the Godhead were present and active participants in the creation of the world, I would assume when God said let us make man in our own image He was not talking to angles but to the other members of the Godhead who were present and involved. Following Him |
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3 | origin of the devil | Ezek 28:13 | jonp | 184333 | ||
Hi Thank you for your contribution. Please see my note to stj just submitted with which I have signed off. I feel this is far too sensitive a subject for us to go into too deeply. (It is after all aired in a thousand commentaries). We are dealing with One Whose judgments are unsearchable and Whose ways are past finding out and I think it best to leave it in that way. I do of course believe in the doctrine of the triunity of God. It is not that that is in question. But when the seven blind men were 'looking' at an elephant each 'saw' something different. Theology is often like that and in some things we are all like blind men feeling in the dark. Best wishes Jonp, | ||||||