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1 | origin of the devil | Ezek 28:13 | jonp | 184204 | ||
Hi, I have just made another posting answering a question that arrived earlier than yours, but I will not just pass you on again. You might think I am trying to avoid you :-))) Perhaps we should first consider Geneis 3.22. Who did the 'us' include then? There it sounds far more likely to me that He is including moral beings who have seen for themselves the consequences of the fall of Satan and thus have come to the experience of 'knowing good and evil', than just a conversation with Himself. And this especially as He will then despatch the Cherubim to guard the way to the tree of life (3.24). I agree wholeheartedly that creation was His work, and His work alone. But I have often said to my children 'let us do this' when my intention was to do it myself, with the simple aim of drawing them in on my plans. Then they felt that they had a part in it. Thus to me God is drawing in to His plans the angels who in the future will have a duty to serve the heirs of salvation (Henbrews 1.14). They would recognise from this that it had been their charge from the beginning. After all if He can draw me in on His plans, how much more the angels who always do His bidding? But I have no wish to alter an entrenched position. I hold my view because 1) I cannot see how when God clearly purposes in the Old Testament to establish His oneness over against men's polytheistic ideas (Exodus 20.2; Deuteronomy 6.5-6) He would undermine the idea here. 2). Because no one who read these words from an Old Testament perspecive could possibly have seen it as referring to the triune God. 3). Because the revelation of the triunity of God is so important that while there are certainly hints in the Old Testament, it could not really be presented fully until the coming of Jesus without seeming to give a concession to polytheism. Best wishes Jonp |
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2 | origin of the devil | Ezek 28:13 | ebrain | 184303 | ||
Hi Jonp. You have said, "Because the revelation of the triunity of God is so important that while there are certainly hints in the Old Testament, it could not really be presented fully until the coming of Jesus without seeming to give a concession to polytheism. Best wishes Jonp" Might I with respect ask you to read the following verses, except, do not read the very last line.. Now ask yourself the question, "Who is speaking".. The answer can only be, "Almighty God".. Now read the last line, and then tell me who it is.. Isa 48:12 "Listen to Me, O Jacob, And Israel, My called: I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last. Isa 48:13 Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth, And My right hand has stretched out the heavens; When I call to them, They stand up together. Isa 48:14 "All of you, assemble yourselves, and hear! Who among them has declared these things? The LORD loves him; He shall do His pleasure on Babylon, And His arm shall be against the Chaldeans. Isa 48:15 I, even I, have spoken; Yes, I have called him, I have brought him, and his way will prosper. Isa 48:16 "Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord GOD and His Spirit Have* sent Me." Best wishes. ebrain. |
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3 | origin of the devil | Ezek 28:13 | jonp | 184307 | ||
Hi I'm afraid I must be a bit thick but I fail to see how the verses you have cited reveal the triunity of God. My answer would be 'Almighty God'. Best wishes Jonp | ||||||
4 | origin of the devil | Ezek 28:13 | ebrain | 184309 | ||
I have been a Christian for more than 45 years.. The verses I gave you have been shown to many individuals over many years, and no one, but no one, except you has failed to see clearly the Trinity, revealed in this passage, therefore, I find myself in complete agreement with your description of yourself. I |
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