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1 | Don't understand Jesus's view on alcohol | Prov 20:1 | John Reformed | 85234 | ||
Dear Tim, The point is that many in the church claim that the partaking of alcoholic beveridges is SIN! When in fact, the Lord chose alcoholic wine as a symbol of His blood,and, It may even be argued that it is sin to substitute grapejuice for wine when there is no biblical support for doing so. I must admit that the church at which I partake in the Lord's Supper uses grapejuice. But it came about as a concession to the culture rather than from scriptural teaching or exegesis of the text. I disagree with my church on this issue and believe it is a case of being wise beyond what is written; a big mistake! Is there a clear statement in Scripture which permits the drinking of alcohol? Yes, many. It becomes obvious when we stop reading into verses the erroneous idea that wine was non-alcoholic (as 1 Tim 3:8 clearly proves). I must confess Brother Tim, I am not one who is satisfied to agree to disagree on the truth of the God's Word. Until I am satisfied by Scripture, I must keep on digging. Your Brother, John |
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2 | Don't understand Jesus's view on alcohol | Prov 20:1 | Morant61 | 85236 | ||
Greetings John! My friend, the fact that one verse uses a word in the sense of alcohol does not mean that the word ALWAYS means that same thing. That is the point that I have been making. Just because one verse refers to alcohol does not necessarily mean that every word translated as 'wine' means alcohol as well. Now, you also mentioned communion. Which verse states that an alcoholic beverage was used to symbolize the blood of Christ? If I recall correctly, the communion cup is never referred to as 'wine' in any of it's forms, but is called the 'fruit of the vine'. Is the fruit of the vine always fermented? It maybe or it may not be! ;-) But seriously, why is it always the people who refrain from drinking who are accused of going beyond the text, when there aren't any texts which explicitly command or permit drinking either? Implications can be drawn either way, but there are not any explicit commands either way. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | Don't understand Jesus's view on alcohol | Prov 20:1 | Earnest | 85242 | ||
Hello Tim and John, Interesting discussion and points on both sides. QUOTE "But seriously, why is it always the people who refrain from drinking who are accused of going beyond the text, when there aren't any texts which explicitly command or permit drinking either? Implications can be drawn either way, but there are not any explicit commands either way./END QUOTE Tim I agree with that. Neither view should be held as going beyond the text. Personally though, I share John's view that it might be taken to be something of an inference that from the scriptures quoted, some alcoholic drinking was permitted if not encouraged. I would say that is the natural logic of the statements made. However on your following qu. QUOTE Now, you also mentioned communion. Which verse states that an alcoholic beverage was used to symbolize the blood of Christ?/END QUOTE Alcohol was definitely used as an anology to the Holy Spirit. The natural beverage that causes "joy" is alcoholic in nature. The spiritual drink that causes real JOY is the Holy Spirit... so might it not follow that the wine of communion may have been alcoholic and not just grape juice? |
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4 | Don't understand Jesus's view on alcohol | Prov 20:1 | Earnest | 85244 | ||
addendum... True... it's an analogy upon which we are warned to refrain from EXCESS... but an analogy to the effects upon the participator none-the-less. Grape juice as part of the communion element would hold no such natural parallel to the spiritual truth. Paul warned that before participating in communion that people eat at home to avoid the sin of gluttony (re: the bread). Likewise it might be inferred that if one partook excessively of the cup it would lead to drunkeness. |
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