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1 | Don't understand Jesus's view on alcohol | Prov 20:1 | Emmaus | 85279 | ||
Tim, It would seem to me that the simple way to answer at least the question about the wine used at the Last Supper is to ask: What did the Jews then and now use in the celebration of the Passover? A hint to the answer: it has not changed. Does a Kosher Passover wine contain alcohol? You have to buy it in a liquor store. Emmaus |
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2 | Don't understand Jesus's view on alcohol | Prov 20:1 | Acts 22 | 85380 | ||
Emmaus, Just a point of information: There is little doubt that our Lord Jesus drank wine at His Passover supper. You're right in saying that Jews still drink wine at the Seder (Hebrew: order) - in fact, the rabbis command them to drink 4 cups of wine that night. That is symbolic of the 4 promises of God found in Exodus 6:6-7. Consumption is spaced throughout the entire evening. Our family's Seder lasts nearly 4 hours, and my father-in-law makes the wine (kosher) which has a higher alcohol content than normal. By the way, you can purchase Kosher wine for Passover in grocery stores, and even thru your local synagogue. No one drinks the entire cup each time, since the purpose is to observe the mitzvah (Hebrew: commandment) and not to just get drunk. Judaism has very strong views on drunkenness. Each time that wine is consumed as part of ritual, a blessing is said, giving thanks to God for this "fruit of the vine." Psalm 104:15 refers to "wine that cheers the hearts of men" and it is indeed a night to rejoice the deliverance from bondage by God's strong arm. We celebrate the Sabbath with a small taste of wine (after the blessing is said) at the end of the Shabbat service. Yet, while wine is a part of ritual for Jews (who do not observe the New Testament), I am in agreement with my Christian brothers and sisters who understand that alcohol can damage your witness. Since alcohol consumption can lead easily to sin, it should be avoided. For Jews who drink it as part of worship, it is to honor God. For Christians who abstain completely, it is to honor God. Some of the discussion about alcohol resembles the legalistic arguments of Pharisees. The Bible is full of examples of the downfall of man from the abuse of alcohol. Perhaps, we should regard it as the "blood" and that way, we could hold ourselves to a more reverent state when tempted to abuse wine. Note that Proverbs 20:1 is simply a warning about the results of over-indulgence of wine. The full Hebrew translation of this verse is "Wine is a scoffer (and strong drink or grain alcohol is a roisterer.) He who is muddled by them will not grow wise." The term "them" pretains to wine and strong alcohol-based drinks. Most wine is not a "strong drink". "Muddled" means a state beyond just a ritual taste. The rest of the verses in Proverbs 20 contain more wisdom about our conduct in life. | ||||||
3 | Don't understand Jesus's view on alcohol | Prov 20:1 | Scribe | 85381 | ||
Acts22 You state "There is little doubt that our Lord Jesus drank wine at His Passover supper" Luke 22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come. Mark 14:23-25 And he took the cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them: and they all drank of it. And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many. Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God. Matthew 26:27-29 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom. You know I have not researched this before now, I always thought it was clear that Jesus did not drink wine at the Lord's Supper. |
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4 | Don't understand Jesus's view on alcohol | Prov 20:1 | Acts 22 | 85402 | ||
Scribe, thank you for the clarification. I agree with your point that our Lord drank no more wine after that point. The point that I was trying to make was that wine was part of the Passover supper and was served to all. From my study, Luke mentions 2 cups of wine, while Matthew and Mark mention only one. In the traditional Passover meal, the wine is served 4 times. Christ spoke the words about His body and His blood when he offered the last cup (which would have been #4). More to the question first raised, Jesus'view on alcohol, I still see the possibility that He had wine at some time, even if just for ritual purposes only. The verses that you've quoted mean that Christians should remember Jesus' sacrifice and resurrection when the issue of drinking wine (all alcohol) is presented. It then takes on a more sacred meaning than just a recreational or cultural beverage. | ||||||
5 | Don't understand Jesus's view on alcohol | Prov 20:1 | Emmaus | 85435 | ||
Acts 22, Allow me to shift for a moment from the alcohol subject to the four cups of Passover. Many hold that the cup of the Last Supper narratives was the third cup or cup of blessing, since Jesus and the apostles after singing a hymn (Matt 26:30), likely the great Hallel, then went out to the garden. You may find this article entitled, The Fourth Cup of interest. http://www.ewtn.com/library/answers/4thCup.htm Emmaus |
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