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1 | Why did Elisha have to see Elijah taken | 2 Kin 2:9 | charis | 33568 | ||
Dear Searcher, Greetings in Jesus' name. Point out error you may, but please do so in a gentlemanly manner, and with love and tolerance in your heart, not self-righteousness or indignation. Elijah . . . cast his mantle upon him--This was an investiture with the prophetic office. Jamieson, Fausset and Brown Commentary. Strong's 5545 chrisma khris'-mah from 5548; an unguent or smearing, i.e. (figuratively) the special endowment ("chrism") of the Holy Spirit:--anointing, unction. ...therefore Elisha's request was, simply, to be heir to the prophetic office and gifts of his master. Jamieson, Fausset and Brown Commentary So I add to the list of similar words 'gifts,' 'endowment' and 'office,' even though I am personally not fond of 'office.' :-) Yes, yes, many of us here investigate Scripture, and sometimes come to different conclusions. I don't believe you have a monopoly on *rightness.* My friend, these words CAN be used with similar meaning. Applying *petty* semantics to argue a trivial point makes me weary. :-) Peace and joy to you in Christ Jesus, charis |
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2 | Why did Elisha have to see Elijah taken | 2 Kin 2:9 | Searcher56 | 33577 | ||
Scripture ... 2 Ki 2:8-15, 1 Jo 2:20, 27 ... charis ... I am confused. How is chrisma related to this passage (2 Ki 2:8-15)? I see another twist. Elisha asked for Elijah's spirit (Ruwach), the same word used in verse 15 and 16. Verses 8, 13 and 14 mention the cloak ('addereth) (mantle (KJV))is not related "chrisma" as you say. In fact it is a Greek word, found twice 1 Jo 2:20, 27. Its root "chrio", appears 5 times. I hope I have been strong and gentle. Searcher |
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3 | Why did Elisha have to see Elijah taken | 2 Kin 2:9 | charis | 33594 | ||
Dear Searcher, Greetings in the name of Jesus! No, not 'another twist.' You commented on the usage of 'anointing,' and I gave Strong's meaning. Yes, it IS Greek! But it bears out the present-day use of this Scriptural issue. The words I wrote can be used in a similar fashion, and in fact are sometimes interchangeable when discussing the servants of God. My post was to say that in present-day language, the spirit of Elijah means his ministry, his anointing (chosen by God), his gift, his mantle, his endowment from God. I pray that this is not twisting things too much. :-) I, too, hope that you have been strong AND gentle. Blessings and peace in Christ Jesus, charis |
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4 | Why did Elisha have to see Elijah taken | 2 Kin 2:9 | Searcher56 | 33611 | ||
charis, yes you were strong AND gentle. But, I am very concerned that you related anointing to what Elisha asked for. There is no relation. | ||||||
5 | Why did Elisha have to see Elijah taken | 2 Kin 2:9 | charis | 33620 | ||
Dear Searcher, Greetings in the name of Jesus! Brother, as you said earlier, 'anointing' (Strong's 5545) comes from 'anointed' (Strong's 5548) chrio khree'-o probably akin to 5530 through the idea of contact; to smear or rub with oil, i.e. (by implication) to consecrate to an office or religious service:--anoint. This, IMHO, is applicable to the situation. Elisha asked that Elijah's spirit, mantle, anointing be passed to him. Certainly God did the choosing, the consecrating, the anointing, and Elisha was the recipient of this blessing, this gift. Elisha was anointed, and took up the mantle of prophet. Frankly, I don't get what you are saying about 'no relation.' Could you explain? In Christ Jesus, charis |
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6 | Why did Elisha have to see Elijah taken | 2 Kin 2:9 | Searcher56 | 33736 | ||
There is no evidence that Elisha was anointed or was asking to be anointed. You want to make an apple to be a fish ... STOP trying to see an anointing in 2 Kings 2. I am done with this discussion. | ||||||
7 | Anoint? | 2 Kin 2:9 | charis | 33737 | ||
Dear Searcher, Greetings in the name of Jesus! Peace, my friend. I am confused about your definition of 'anointed.' I was always under the impression that anointed (often with oil) meant 'chosen by God' or 'consecrated to a ministry.' While it is true that men physically did the anointing, the Holy Spirit led the men to do so. In this particular passage and it's context, I get the idea that Elisha was heir to Elijah's ministry of prophet, and that God approved it. If I am mistaken, please teach me the true meaning of 'anoint' and tell me what did happen to Elisha. But, if you are done with this discussion, maybe someone else can enlighten me? :-) In Christ Jesus, charis |
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8 | Anoint? | 2 Kin 2:9 | Robert Nicholson | 33750 | ||
Greetings bro. Charis: I agree with Bro. Searcher's last post regarding the "double portion" which is referring to Deut. 21:17 which refers to the custom in which the father would give a double portion which would be a sign to all that his was indeed his firstborn son who would be heir. "He must give the customary double portion to his oldest son, who represents the strength of his father's manhood and who owns the rights of the firstborn son, even though he is the son of the wife his father does not love." Elijah was raised up of the Lord as a prophet. In the old testament the Spirit of God came upon certain people whom God pick out for a specific purpose. Elijah was a spiritual father to Elisha. The parting for Elisha would be painful knowing the man of God would be gone. His concern it would appear was "who will take this prophet's place when he is gone"? In v.9 we see that Elijah trusted Elisha in contrast to the 50 others who simply wanted to see the event and later mocked v.16. Elisha in asking for a double portion was simply asking to be heir to the prophetic office and gifts of his master. We find in V. 10 Elijah made it clear that only God could answer his request. I think however, that we see Elisha's faith as he reaches for the mantle of his master. God had granted his desire and God showed these in a miraculous way. In a sense God had set Elisha apart to be his prophet after Elijah was taken away. The word anoint is from the Hebrew word xXm transliterated "Mashah" is defined as: 1. a) to smear, anoint, spread a liquid. 1. to smear 2. to anoint (as consecration) 3. to anoit, consecrate b) to be anointed ( Strongs # 04886) In Christ Robert |
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9 | Anoint? | 2 Kin 2:9 | charis | 33755 | ||
Dear Robert, Greetings in the name of Jesus! Friend, I am a layman, a carpenter and PC technician by trade, a minister of the Gospel by calling. Forgive me for being so dense, But WHAT is it you agree with our fellow forumer Searcher? I agree with your definition from Strong's. I used the Greek equivalent in my post more than once. Anoint means consecrate (unto God) for the purpose of serving the Lord. It seems (to me) that the Hebrew and the Greek agree on the basic meaning. I have said that I believe that Elisha was anointed to the ministry of prophet. He succeeded Elijah, took up his mantle, was endowed with the gifts necessary to perform his calling. I have NOT said that I agree with the doctrine or all the posts written by our colleague 'prophet ezra brown,' but that we owe him the dignity of counting him among the brethren of God. I simply said that I agree with Brother Brown that the spirit of Elijah was indeed passed to his heir, Elisha. I also agree that the 'double' part of 'double-portion' is not a numerical 2X. It means that the legacy was passed on. With all due respect to you, and to my esteemed (steamed?) colleague, Searcher, what is the ado about? I can't find a thing in your post that I disagree with, except the 'I agree with Bro. Searcher... part. I don't even know what HE is so upset about. :-) I hope not to put you out of joint, too! :-) In Christ Jesus, charis |
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10 | Anoint? | 2 Kin 2:9 | Searcher56 | 33778 | ||
The double portion always means 2x. Read my "Word study ... Spirit (Ruwach)" post. |
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11 | Anoint? | 2 Kin 2:9 | charis | 33779 | ||
Dear Searcher, Greetings in the name of Jesus! I quote from Jamieson, Fausset and Brown Commentary: This request was not, as is commonly supposed, for the power of working miracles exceeding the magnitude and number of his master's, nor does it mean a higher endowment of the prophetic spirit; for Elisha was neither superior to, nor perhaps equally great with, his predecessor. But the phrase, "a double portion," was applied to the first-born [Deu 21:17], and therefore Elisha's request was, simply, to be heir to the prophetic office and gifts of his master. (end quote) Brother, I find it hard to believe that this whole thing, calling me a 'Scripture-twister' and all that was simply to prove your point about the semantic difference between the the 'anointment' in 1 Kings 19 (i.e. the pouring of oil on the head by God's representative) and my use of the word 'anointing' as in 'endowed with gifts from God.' As far as I am concerned, you win the legal battle, and gain the crown of triviality. :-) Many, many blessings to you in the abundant life that our Lord gives. In Christ Jesus, charis |
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12 | Double portion is really only two-thirds | 2 Kin 2:9 | 10ECPreacher | 33789 | ||
Greetings in Christ Jesus, charis et al. Somewhere back down the line many years ago I came across the following definition of the "double portion". (If this has already been discussed in this thread I apologize for the redundancy of my post.) The "double portion" indeed was the inheritance of the first-born. But it was not twice the possessions of the father (this would be impossible--nobody can give away more than they actually possess); rather, it was two-thirds of the total inheritance. Now, if we take a "whole" and divide it into three parts, the one that gets two-thirds of the whole is considered to have received the "double portion", because in fact he has received twice the amount of the remainder of the inheritance. When I was a child I remember hearing men say that Elisha performed twice as many major miracles as Elijah because he received a "double portion" of his spirit. I think such reasoning is very superficial. I do not believe Elisha had "twice" the anointing of Elijah, nor do I believe he only had two-thirds of the anointing of Elijah. I believe Elisha asked for and received the inheritance of the first-born; i.e., even though he was not the literal son of Elijah, he became his spiritual successor--just as a literal first-born son would become the natural successor to his father. Oh well, this is just my 2 cents' worth--which is a double portion of one-third of three. :) Kind regards, Tim D. Cormier Tennessee Preacher |
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13 | Double portion is really only two-thirds | 2 Kin 2:9 | Mommapbs | 33838 | ||
Greetings Tennessee Preacher! After reading your post I was reminded about something I learned from Tim Keller (NYC Pastor) about the inheritance in the story of the Prodigal Son. The father divided his estate between the two sons (the older son got the two thirds and the prodigal got the reamining third). Since the father's estate had been distributed and the younger son squandered all of his inheritance, from whose portion did the father obtain the ring, the robe and the fatted calf? Remember that the Father said, "All that I have is YOURS!" So all those things to celebrate the younger brother's return really belonged to the older son! Just a little food for thought. I'm so thankful that Jesus, our "older brother" freely gives all that He has to celebrate us "prodigals!" Blessings, Mommapbs |
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