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1 | Is the Sabbath on Saturday? | Bible general Archive 1 | Taleb | 74132 | ||
Mr. Billy Joe, Either you accept ALL of Scripture to be inspired and acknowledge when, how and why Christians may worship on Sunday, or you ONLY believe those that tie in with your particular doctrine. With enough "Jewish blood" to have gone to the furnace in Germany, I have a certain view on "the Sabbath". If the "Jews" today KNOW the early church began to worship on Sundays during Paul's day, why can't the church 2,000 years later accept the same truth as gospel? The following is from Jewish Encyclopedia under “Sabbath”. I believe they “know” the facts better than someone who arose one morning with a “better day to worship”. “A brief consideration is desirable as to why and when the keeping of the seventh day as the Sabbath ceased among Christian churches. That Jesus and his disciples kept the seventh day, and without vital departures from Pharisaic usages, is indisputable. The question of Sabbath observance first became acute under Paul, with the rise of the non-Jewish Christian communities. The Petrine, or Judæo-Christian, party insisted on rigid adherence to the Jewish law. It scorned the looser practises of the converts from without Israel. To this Col. ii. 16 et seq. has reference; Paul protests against judging the piety of the neophytes "in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a feast-day . . . or a Sabbath-day" (R. V.). He protests with greater bitterness in Gal. iv. 9-11, where observance of days is denounced as a return to the "weak and beggarly elements." In Rom. xiv. 5 et seq. it is assumed that whether one day or another is distinguished, or whether all are regarded as equally sacred, is a matter of indifference: every man must decide for himself. Thus while the Petrine partizans continued to assemble for worship on the Sabbath (Acts ii. 1, iii. 1, et al.), in non-Jewish Christian circles the first day of the week came to be marked by longer worship than usual and by collections of gifts (I Cor. xvi. 2; comp. Acts xx. 7). The name "Lord's day" first occurs in Rev. i. 10, where it may mean the day of judgment (see Day of the Lord); it is next found in Ignatius, "Ad Magnesianos" (§ 9). Pliny testifies to the fact that the Christians assembled on "a fixed day" ("stato die"; "Epistolæ," x. 96).” (Thus ends info from Jewish Ency) I find it particularly interesting that, although most who have responded to this “problem” have used the same Scriptures as the Jews use. I doubt if anybody used this same source to back them up. They simply used the promise of the Holy Spirit to teach them truth. I might be "a little prejudice", but if anyone claims one thing and history AND Scripture proves another, I’ll go with Scripture and history every time. Sir, with all due respect, if you feel you must worship on Saturday, I will abide to what the Holy Spirit inspired Paul to write about those who are weak in faith, in Romans 14:1 and want to push their bondages etc, "Welcome the weak believer and do not criticize his views." Welcome! In His Service, Taleb |
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2 | Is the Sabbath on Saturday? | Bible general Archive 1 | Brother Billy Joe | 74249 | ||
Dear Taleb It is unfortunate and sad to think that you would misuse the tragedy of the Holocaust to bolster your argument. The Israeli astronaut Ilan Ramon kept the Sabbath in orbit around the earth last week before his tragic death (See CNN Special Report "Tragedy in the Sky". I would think his family would be offended that he would be called a "the weak believer" and "weak in faith" because he was a Sabbath keeper. Ilan Ramon was a Sabbath keeper. I am a Sabbath keeper. I am proud to be in the same "weakness" (as you put it) as this brave couragous man. Pastor Billy Joe |
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3 | Is the Sabbath on Saturday? | Bible general Archive 1 | Taleb | 74261 | ||
Sir, it IS unfortunate and sad that you would misuse my post in a fruitless attempt to prove (?) your faulty argument. True, the Israeli astronaut was brave. He was a STRONG believer in his faith. Had his religion ALLOWED him the freedom that Christ offers us, than he could have had the freedom that I, and others, who accept the truth of the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ, have. To worship our God with the FAITH that HE gives us. We all have a measure of faith. It’s what WE do with it, and HOW we live it, that makes that faith weak or strong. Romans 14 gives the “definition” of what those mean. At the same time, the Israeli observing his Sabbath has absolutely NO bearing on the basis of whether we Christians MUST worship on the seventh day or MAY observe Sunday or even Tuesday. Ramon would be the first to ask you, “Why do you observe on OUR day? The Christian church from its conception NEVER DID for centuries and centuries.” He would point to the same evidence I pointed out yesterday. Don’t forget, sir, it was the Jews who wrote the evidence you refuse to accept because it disagrees with your religion, even if it DOES agree with God’s Word. Either YOU accept what the New Testament says about this truth, or YOU ignore them and stay in bondage. Don’t blame me, my heritage, or a brave man who can’t defend himself against your illegitimate use of his tragic death. And I KNOW, not only his family would be outraged that you would dare to promote your "religion" in such a ungodly manner. All of Israel and beyond would be. HOW DARE YOU? And, sir, it was Paul who was inspired by the Holy Spirit, who called the CHRISTIANS who attempted to force their burdens on CHRISTIANS who knew the freedom Christ offers – as being weak. Please don’t try to give me credit, or blame, for God’s word. To Him be the glory, not me. I will close this with truth from God’s word, that you can accept or reject according to your faith – If you answer the question that God’s word asks you, it will tell you “the condition” of your faith – “Romans 14:22 “Do you have faith?” Only you can answer that. Continuing, “Have it (faith) to yourself (that’s you) before God (not man or doctrines).” Now, the test: “Happy is he (you, me) who does NOT condemn himself (you, me) in what he (you, me) approves.” If you feel condemned by not observing Saturday, observe. Just don’t try to weaken our faith. We want to remain strong in the truth of God’s word, thank you. With righteous indignation, Taleb |
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4 | Is the Sabbath on Saturday? | Bible general Archive 1 | Brother Billy Joe | 74502 | ||
Where was your "righteous indignation" when you used the Holocaust in "a fruitless attempt to prove (?) your faulty argument" or condemn others that keep the Sabbath were "weak in faith" and "in bondage". Where is your "righteous indignation" when you condemn Jews or Israelis for keeping the Sabbath becasue of your "misuse" of the NT. You started your slander in an "a ungodly manner" and now hypocriticaly condemn others while you do the same things. If anyone is "under bondage" it is those people like yourself who do not obey God and condemn others who do so. You are not "free" but in the most abject bondage of all - disobedience to God. Paster Bill J |
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5 | Is the Sabbath on Saturday? | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 74508 | ||
Greetings Pastor Bill! I have been following this thread with some interest. Yet, I cannot see any place where Taleb condemned those who keep the Sabbath. He simply said that those who do should not judge those who don't. Which of course is what Colossians 2:16 says, "Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ." The New Testament does not forbid anyone from worshipping on the Sabbath, but neither does is command anyone to do so. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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6 | Is the Sabbath on Saturday? | Bible general Archive 1 | Taleb | 74557 | ||
Tim, thank you for re-enforcing what God's Word explains to all who "want" to obey. The verse you quoted in Colossians 2:16 was always so frustrating to my Messianic Jew relative. Most of my practicing Jewish relatives refused to talk “religion” with him. And any Mormon family members, well they wouldn't even look him in the eye. I think it might have been because he only accepted bits and pieces of Scripture. I do appreciate reading your postings about whatever – they make for a great teaching and learning tool. Thank you for being so quick to help so many. Taleb |
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