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1 | LEFT BEHIND? | Bible general Archive 1 | justme | 59988 | ||
John: I could not agree with you more. He who has the SON has life. He who has not the SON has not life! But even repentance follows salvation. Salvation, Grace plus nothing is salvation. These other factore come as evidence of salvation. Thank you for responding. agape, justme |
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2 | LEFT BEHIND? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 60039 | ||
"But even repentance follows salvation." Does repentance FOLLOW salvation, or accompany it? Seems to me that when repentance is mentioned in connection with justification, it is mentioned first. The confusion on most people's part seems to come from trying to classify repentance as a "work." "Grace plus nothing is salvation." Grace alone is the CAUSE of salvation, but we are justified through faith (and I believe repentance is an aspect of saving faith) because of Christ's work. Therefore, more is involved in salvation than grace alone. I do hold, however, that the sole reason I have repented in saving faith is due to God's unfailing grace, and that it was God's grace that motivated Him to not spare His own Son. --Joe! |
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3 | LEFT BEHIND? | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 60215 | ||
Greetings Joe! Amen! Excellent comments my friend! To add to your point, I would mention Acts 2:38. Peter said, "Repent...and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." Acts 3:19 says, "Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord," 2 Cor. 7:10 says, " Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death." These all indicate that repentance takes place prior to regeneration. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | LEFT BEHIND? | Bible general Archive 1 | John Reformed | 60253 | ||
Dear Tim, you said "These all indicate that repentance takes place prior to regeneration" I don't agree (what a surprise!). I believe that for at least 2 reasons they must accompany regeneration rather than preceed it. 1. 1 cor 2:14 "But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understandthem, because they are spiritually appraised" 2. Repentence prior to regeneration would mean that we are saved by something in addition to faith. As I have stated before, regeneration is the sole work of God and that repentence and faith are the saving graces which accompany it. I do not think that the reformed view is in conflict with 2 cor 7:10 because in the progression of the order of salvation, It does not see all the elements as necesarily happening sequentially over time. 1. Calling (The general call of the gospel.) 2. Regeneration (the creative act of God making the elect new beings. 3. Conversion (the exercise of that new heart in reponding to the gospel in repentance and faith) 4. Justification (the judicial act of God upon repentance and faith by which he declares and constitutes His elect "just" or righteous) 5. Adoption (the act by which God admits them intothe rights and privileges of the sons of God) 6. Sanctification (the work of God's Spirit by which the elect are enabled to perservere in faith unto ever greater conformity to the will of God) 7. Glorification (by which, ar the resurrection of the body, the believer is atlast constituted perfect in Christ in body and soul, forever. (G.I. Williamson, The WESTMINSTER CONFESSION OF FAITH FOR STUDY CLASSES) John |
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5 | LEFT BEHIND? | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 60256 | ||
Greetings John! I'm not surprised! :-) In defense of my statement though, I would appeal to the actual text of the verses - each of which indicates that repentance results in something else. Of course, this means that the text is providing a logical sequence of events. Acts 2:38: Repent (Aorist, Active, Imperative - a command to do something at a point in time which is not currently being done) and you will receive (Future, Middle, Indicative - an action which will occur after the action of the first verb). Acts 3:19: Repent (Aorist, Active, Imperative - see above) that (eis - purpose or result of the preceeding verb) your sins might be wiped out (Aorist, Passive, Infinitive - used with eis to indicate purpose or result) and that (hwpos - that) seasons of refreshing might come. 2 Cor. 7:10: This verse actually contains no verb, but every translation translates the 'eis' as "Godly sorrow leads to salvation". All of these verses indicate that the result or purpose of repentance is salvation or forgiveness of sins. Thus, the challenge for you my friend is to find one verse which says that repentance occurs at the same time or subsuequent to salvation. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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6 | LEFT BEHIND? | Bible general Archive 1 | John Reformed | 60258 | ||
Hi Tim, Thanks for the info. That is the very reason I wrote: I do not think that the reformed view is in conflict with 2 cor 7:10 because in the progression of the order of salvation, It does not see all the elements as neccesarily happening sequentially over time. Afterall, we are dealing here with a mystery and must be carefull lest we speak from human wisdom and human reason. If you are interested in the reformed view of the order of salvation, I'd be happy to explain it's scriptural foundation to the best of my poor ability. But Joe would probably be more knowledgable then me. John |
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