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1 | JOE THROWS ONENESS INTO HERESY | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 4742 | ||
You know, it is not a big boost to credibility when you flood the forum with the identical post over and over again rather than meaningfully dialogue with a Trinitarian who will agree with MOST of what you have said above wholeheartedly. Please see my detailed, point-by-point response elsewhere, as I am going to have the courtesy not to beat everyone over the head with what I consider to be the truth. God's truth stands on its own and does not require my cross-posting to be convincing to those with ears to hear. --Joe! |
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2 | JOE THROWS ONENESS INTO HERESY | Bible general Archive 1 | RevC | 4847 | ||
The hostility on this issus is getting heated... it seems to happen that way when doctrines start to crumble.Let me say I am new to this forum and apologize for multiple postings. If I am not welcome in the conversation lets not beat around the bush.Just ask me to shut up and move on. Contention is not something that I enjoy. Not one of you wonderful trinitarians has provided a shre of evidence for your view. I have not seen what was posted this weekend. I will do so shortly. Thank you for your responses however if you wish to criticize me personally I would request that you keep it to yourself.... I have not personally critcized yor knowledge or you as a person and would ask for the same respect. Please review my responses 5. Although I know there have been many newer versions and better translations since the KJV, many of which I own I have taken a personal stance against omitting verses based on these supposed new finding...so in the idea of "fair play" I'll retract position #5 based on translational discrepancies and we'll move on..of course I'll ask that you retract the whole "salt" thing. 7. I will assume that the lack of here in this answer is due to lack of explanation in your own doctrinal stance 8. At this point my answer would have to be "no"...do you? If so explain it to me 9. Dumb answer I am not going to waste much time on this one 15. I would look forward to this 23. Again Joe, this is poor it is obvious in Revelation that there is one God in heaven and that is Jesus Christ.... the whole time John has his revelation we never get to see the other two guys that Trinitarians say exist...... What's the deal with that? 42. No offense but I am not impressed with Gregory Boyd...most of what I have read form him has been really poor in scriptural points and has relied mostly on personal feeling and his own revelations......regardless of our trinity or oneness viewpoint ..I am sure we can agree that Boyd's work is really not that convincing.... I have gained more from your views than his I feel you have refuted nothing in a logical, concise or biblical manner...every point is tainted with verbal muck and no biblical basis at least I have lead to undeniable scriptures that our not easy for a Trinitarian to refute. This at one time was a non-issue for me until I started seeing some qoutes by hank hannagraf like " how can Jesus be the creator if he was not born until 2000 years ago".... or things like "Do we really want a non-Trinitarian to be the spiritual leader of our country?" Buckner wrote. This Hannagraf cronie is mad about the success of TD Jakes T.D. Jakes is a cult leader and his ministry is a cult," Buckner told "Charisma" magazine. This is just ridiculous. I am not hung up on roles,entities,modes or persons....there is one GOD.. HE came as Jesus Christ the son. There is no doubt that JESUS WAS GOD... this is your stance also.....so where do we differ just what is it that you see that I do not? God There is only one God (Deuteronomy 6:4). He is the creator of heaven and earth, and of all living beings. He has revealed Himself to humanity as the Father (Creator), in the son (Savior), and as the Holy Ghost (indwelling Spirit). Father God is a Spirit (John 4:24). He is the Eternal One, the Creator of all things, and the Father of all humanity by creation. He is the First and the Last, and beside Him there is no God (Isaiah 44:6). There was no God formed before Him; neither shall be there any after Him (Isaiah 43:10). Son Jesus is the Son of God according to the flesh (Romans 1:3) and the very God Himself according to the Spirit (Matthew 1:23). Jesus is the Christ (Matthew 16:16); the creator of all things (Colossians 1:16-17); God with us (Matthew 1:23); God made flesh (John 1:1-14); God manifested in the flesh (I Timothy 3:16);He which was, which is, and which is to come, the Almighty (Revelation 1:8);the mighty God, everlasting Father, and Prince of peace (Isaiah 9:6). Jesus Himself testified of His identity as God when He said, "He that hath seen me hath seen the Father" (John 14:7-11) and "I and my Father are one" (John 10:30). It took shedding of blood for the remission of the sins of the world (Hebrews 9:22), but God the Father was a Spirit and had no blood to shed. Thus He prepared a body of flesh and blood (Hebrews 10:5)and came to earth as a man in order to save us, for in Isaiah 43:11 He said, "Beside me there is no Savior." When He came in flesh the angels sang, "For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, which is Christ the Lord" (Luke 2:11). Holy Ghost The Holy Ghost is not a third person in the Godhead, but rather the Spirit of God (the Creator), the Spirit of the resurrected Christ. The Holy Ghost comes to dwell in the hearts and lives of everyone who believes and obeys the gospel, as the comforter, Sustainer, and keeper (John 14:16-26; Romans 8:9-11). |
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3 | JOE THROWS ONENESS INTO HERESY | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 4868 | ||
It is not hostility, RevC; it is, however, conviction. If we were talking about differences of opinion within Christian orthodoxy, such as Arminism vs. Calvinism, or how often to have communion, or whether choruses should replace the old hymns of the faith, I would be a lot more charitable in my answers (not less convicted, but much more charitable with a true brother or sister in Christ). However, our disagreement is over a heresy that was addressed 1700 years ago. This is not a mere difference of opinion, RevC. This is dealing with the very nature of God, and it is impossible to have a true Christian theology without having the correct view of THEOS. I do not object greatly to Boyd's scholarship, but rather than focusing on the errors of Oneness, I prefer to make the positive case, as I have, of the Trinity that is spelled out in Scripture. What you have demonstrated in your posts is a complete misunderstanding of the Trinity. Most of the points you made were not anti-Trinitarian in the slightest. Even your re-hashing of verses above are not contested by Trinitarians. However, you did not address ANYTHING in my response showing the extensive Biblical narrative of the Father, Son, and Spirit talking with each other, interacting with each other (Son obeying Father, Father exalting Son, Son returning to Father, Son parying to Father, all three persons present at Jesus' baptism, Father speaking at the transfiguration of Son, Father sending Spirit, Spirit leading Son, etc.). Either God is playing ventriloquist, deliberately deceiving people into thinking that there are three persons, or there is indeed a distinction between the Father, Son, and Spirit. However, you do not seem interested in dialoguing with me on these verses, but rather posting over and over again a rehearsed, "one-size-fits-all" set of statements which you claim proves modalism. I will be happy to address and dialogue with you on the points where we disagree, but it would be much more productive if you did not beat Trinitarians over the head with points with which we heartily agree. --Joe! |
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