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1 | Does this explain Trinity? | Bible general Archive 1 | Elijah | 4301 | ||
God the father is the only true God there is (1 Corinthians 8:6), Jesus being in the image of God and having the authority of God is allowed to be God in only a sense. The Bible explains this very well in the first part of John. In John 1:1 it states, "In the beginning was the Word," okay lets start there, we all agree that the Word is Jesus, so, Jesus was there in the beginning, but the beginning of what? In genesis it states the GOD created the Heavens and the earth, so the beginning is the beginning of the heavens and the earth. But the word also states that Jesus is the Firstborn of ALL creation in Col. 1:15, well if he is the firstborn, firstborn means that Jesus was the First to be created, the only true one to be actually created by God Himself. So thus he can't be God, because we all know that God is not created. Continuing on, "And the Word was with God," Now just a minute, if Jesus is God, then how can He be with himself, the answer is he can't. People who believe in the Trinity believe that God is three in one, each person of the trinity being equal to each other in all aspects, but in John 14:28, Jesus himself says that the Father is greater than He is, so thus by Jesus' own words, he himself makes the trinity out to be a lie. Now in John 17:11 and 22 Jesus prays to God that we may be one as there are one, and in John 10:30 it states that Jesus and God are one, but what does this truly mean, does it mean that we can be part of the trinity, well no of course not, it means that Jesus is not God, and we are not God, but are one with God, one in unity with God, in other words we strive to do the will of God, and that is the same for Jesus, HE strives to do the will of God too, and in doing so Him and us are one with God in that we are all striving for the very same thing. We are all in unity with God. Going on, "And the word was God." Well here's where it has caused all the problem to begin with. It says that "the Word was God", well it says it that way, because like I said in the beginning, Jesus is only GOD in a sense, He is not God, but has ALL the AUTHORITY to ACT as God, just like a father and son here on earth, A son can ACT with all authority of the father because the father has told him and taught him what to do, so in a sense the son is the father, but the father is not the son. Hence this is the way it is with Jesus and the Heavenly Father. Therefore, finally, to answer the question, We've never seen God, flesh or otherwise, but have seen God's only begotten son, who came in the flesh, being the visible image of the invisible God (Col. 1:15) so we have seen God only in a sense of the word, we have seen everything we can of God, nature, the burning bush, his son, each other (we to are created in the image of God), without actually seeing God himself. So as Romans 1:20 says, we have absolutely no excuse for not knowing who the TRUE GOD IS, So I ask you who should one believe, God’s own son, the only true teacher, or the men who came up with the Trinity doctrine | ||||||
2 | Does this explain Trinity? | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 4540 | ||
Greetings, In your response, you started off with some good questions. You said that we all agree that Jesus is the Word (Jn. 1:14). You then stated that according to Genesis God created the world. You then asked, Jesus was with God in the beginning of what? If you stay with the context of John 1, it tells us what beginning John was talking about. John 1:3 says, "Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made." (NIV) Therefore, logically, Jesus is God. Since, God created everything according to Genesis and Jesus created everything according to John 1:3. In fact, this is exactly the point of John 1:1 - "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." So John 1 makes 3 points about Jesus. 1. He is eternal (from the beginning). 2. He is God, and 3. He created everything. In fact, the other passage you quoted from (Col. 1:15-20) makes almost exactly the same claims for Christ. Col. 1:16 says that He created all things. Col. 1:17 says that He holds all things together. Col. 1:15 and 1:19 says that He is the image of the invisible God, with the fulness of God dwelling within Him (not an imperfect copy). Thus, according to Col. 1:15 and 1:18, He is the firstborn or supreme over everything. Thus, John 1 and Col. 1 both say that Jesus is fully God in every sense of the word. Thanks, Tim Moran |
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