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1 | Is sinless perfection possible on earth? | 1 John 1:8 | EdB | 228628 | ||
Actually Paul wording death to sin also occurs in Romans 6:2 (NKJV) 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? In fact this whole passage has merit in this discussion. Romans 6:1-14 (NKJV) 1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. 7 For he who has died has been freed from sin. 8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, 9 knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him. 10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. 11 Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord. 12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace. Verse 14 is focus of my hypothesis that sin no longer has dominion over you. No longer controls your destiny? |
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2 | Is sinless perfection possible on earth? | 1 John 1:8 | DocTrinsograce | 228630 | ||
Yes... Romans 6. Yes... the believer no longer lives in sin's house... he is not a son who will inherit all that it entails. Instead, the believer is free through Christ. The believer is no longer under the reign of sin. | ||||||
3 | Is sinless perfection possible on earth? | 1 John 1:8 | EdB | 228632 | ||
Is Abraham in heaven? How was his relationship any different than ours? Yet we say sin has no dominion over us but we also say sin can take us to hell. Is it sin or our the condition of our hearts? |
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4 | Is sinless perfection possible on earth? | 1 John 1:8 | DocTrinsograce | 228634 | ||
"Is Abraham in heaven?" (sic) Yes... that's what Romans 4 is about. See also Galatians 3:8. "How was his relationship any different than ours?" (sic) There is no other means of salvation than through Christ (Acts 4:12). We are simply at opposite chronological points to the historical events of the Cross. (Hebrews 10-11) "Yet we say sin has no dominion over us but we also say sin can take us to hell." (sic) You didn't want to define sin. Regardless the answer would get into another topic you didn't want to talk about. The Synergist would say that Christ did not die for sins committed after salvation. The Monergist would say that Christ died for all sin of the believer. "Is it sin or our the condition of our hearts?" (sic) The Synergist would say that attitude is the crucial factor -- that's what Wesley said. The Monergist would say that all sin arises from the heart (Luke 6:45) -- it arises from the nature of the tree (Matthew 7:18). Please really read post #228626 this time. |
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5 | Is sinless perfection possible on earth? | 1 John 1:8 | EdB | 228640 | ||
I did read post #228628 and and your answer is pivotal on the word consider. However Roman 6:2 right above it does not contain the word consider. So you reasoning only holds if the word consider is presence which it is not in 6:2 where it says we are dead to sin. Or am I missing something? I'm not sure what the definition of sin has to do with this discussion. please explain. My problem or question is can we life in sinless perfection. When I ask this question everyone responds with "We are dead to sin, We are free of the law, the law no longer convicts us" My question then becomes what has changed. Abraham is in heaven. He sinned and was forgiven. We sin and are promised forgiveness so what is different? Yes I know Christ died for our sins. However if we look at Romans 6,7, 8 in particular. It talks of no longer being under sin dominion. However we are still tempted, we are still guilty of sin and must repent, and if we commit sin as mentioned in many places we are told we will not go to heaven. So what is different between how we live today and how Abraham who trusted in the Messiah for his salvation lived? |
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6 | Is sinless perfection possible on earth? | 1 John 1:8 | DocTrinsograce | 228648 | ||
Fine, Ed... having vision problems so I will have to drop of for a bit. You said you were interested in what other people thought based on their understanding of Scripture: A classic is "The Mortification of Sin" by John Owen. But if it is dead peoples' thoughts you object to, I have another suggestion. (It is also a lot easier read.) Jerry Bridges did a wonderful little book called "The Pursuit of Holiness." You asked, "So what is different between how we live today and how Abraham who trusted in the Messiah for his salvation lived?" My dear Pentecostal friend, please refer to John 14:16-18. |
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7 | Is sinless perfection possible on earth? | 1 John 1:8 | EdB | 228652 | ||
Doc Let your guard down this wasn't a pentecostal question. Perhaps I stated it wrong or everyone was reading what I said with a bias. As I read everyone's answers it was almost as if they were waiting for me to drop the other shoe. Not my intent. I wanted to know how others people on the studybible forum viewed sinless perfection based on their understanding of scripture they used to support their position. That was all I wanted. |
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