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1 | Is sinless perfection possible on earth? | 1 John 1:8 | EdB | 228605 | ||
Beja I like that analogy of the garden and weeds but what scriptures do you base that on. I find when most people approach this subject the do so from experience of their own lives. The believe they are saved (they may or may not be) and they know they battles they may or may not fight with sin. The thing I find most shocking is many contibute sinless perfection to specific camps of thought yet I who has come out of most of those camps of thought always felt 1 john 2:8 as being very clear and concise that we all still sin. I have recently been told that is all wrong and I'm trying to understand how what scriptures people us to support or oppose Sinless Perfection. |
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2 | Is sinless perfection possible on earth? | 1 John 1:8 | Morant61 | 228616 | ||
Greetings Ed! Did you mean 1 John 1:8? If so, 1 John was written to deal with an early form of gnosticism. They held several false notions. 1) That they had no sin nature. 2) That Christ did not come in the flesh. These are the two errors that John deals with in 1 John. 1 John 2:1 demonstrates that John did not mean in 1 John 1:8 that all of us MUST continue to sin, since he wrote: "I write this to you so that you will not sin." His statement in 1 John 3:6 also makes this point clear: 1Jn 3:6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him. I hope this helps! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | Is sinless perfection possible on earth? | 1 John 1:8 | EdB | 228619 | ||
Tim Again not to be cute or argumentate here but even if 1 John 1:8 (and yes 2:8 was a typo) was written in response to Gnostics, doesn't the truth conveyed here apply universally? If not wouldn't God through John said I'm talking to Gnostics here the rest of you ignore this? If we go to 1 John 3:6 which you referrenced you qualified it more than the actual passage does. You said if we "keep on" sinning but the passage says point blank "sins" Whoever sins has neither seen or knew Him. I this tells us that people that have been "walking in sanctification process" were deceived? They weren't saved (didn't know Jesus) when they began their walk. Or is it like you said keeps sinning and then the question is how my times can you commit the same sin and still be said to know Jesus? |
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4 | Is sinless perfection possible on earth? | 1 John 1:8 | Morant61 | 228636 | ||
Greetings Ed! my quote was from the NIV, which says 'keeps on sinning'. The justification for that is present tense of the verbs used, which usually indicate ongoing action in the present time. Not everyone agrees with that translation, but I do. Thus, 1 John 3:6 is not referring to individual acts of sin, but an habitual pattern of ongoing sin. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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