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1 | verse explains nonChrist knowing savior | 2 Cor 5:15 | brother paul | 178197 | ||
Dear Tim, Thank you for your reply, it is a dilemma, two contrasting sets of scriptures. How do we sort it out? If God seems to reject someone or group in His plan, does it effect the final reconciliation to Him? Israel is cast off, rejected and blinded by Him, (Romans 11:7,15) but then ALL Israel is to be saved. (vs.26) Matthew 7:13 speaks of those who go through the wide gate of popular worldly ways and it leads to destruction. 'Apoleia' in the Greek, a sense of loss of well being is one interpretation, I know because I have been there. Does this alter the final destination? Matthew 7: 21-23 is interesting because it involves entering the Kingdom of the heavens. John 3:5 makes the point that we have to be born of the spirit to enter the kingdom and there are many not at that stage until they recieve the gift from Him. This is the only way I can harmonize these verses, unless you have a better way. I find it difficult to explain but there seems to be a process of God that necessitates the alienation of the believer before adoption. The wilderness experience, the long night of the soul, wrestling with the angel. However you want to call it. It has been my walk with Him. There seems to be a separation that predates reconciliation echoed through the bible. Jesus leaves the church to come again, Eve is separated from Adam before being reunited, Israel is cast off before recieving salvation. Even Genesis 1:1, 'In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.' is using the Hebrew word 'Bara', translated 'create', which means to cut, divide or separate. Therefore in the beginning He separated the physical from the spiritual to perform His will that ultimately would reunite them. I seek of Him, it is my life, but I feel we are not confronting some of the major questions and contradictions that beset orthodoxy. Yours and His, in Him, Paul |
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2 | verse explains nonChrist knowing savior | 2 Cor 5:15 | Morant61 | 178216 | ||
Greetings Paul! The easiest way to sort out the dilema is to realize that there is no dilema. :-) The Scriptures that you cited in your original post do not say that everyone will be saved. They speak of God's desire for everyone to be saved. They speak of everyone bowing down to Christ one day in recoginition of His deity. However, not one of them says that everyone will be saved. However, the two passages I cited to you definitively say that not everyone will be saved, but that some will be rejected. What are the questions and contradictions of which you speak? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | verse explains nonChrist knowing savior | 2 Cor 5:15 | brother paul | 178278 | ||
Dear Tim, Thank you for your grace and patience with me, One of the scriptures I quoted was 2 Peter 3:9. 'That God was not willing that any should perish, but all should come to repentance.' DocTrinsograce complimented you and acclaimed you as a Grrek scholar. I would deeply appreciate your comments. When I was studying NT Greek we looked at this verse and I inadvertantly pointed out that the word 'willing' was translated from 'boulema'. The teacher (a 1:1 at Oxford) turned whit and visibly shook. I asked what was the problem, and he muttered, 'You know what a Papal Bull is, it is an edict, a law, a statement of intent.' He left the room and was not seen for some time, he never would mention it again. 'Boulema', Vines, ' a deliberate design, that which is purposed.' Thayers, 'to will deliberately, have a purpose, to be minded.' It is the 'boulema; that Jesus accomplished and the other occurences express His plan not a mere desire. Even we reduce the meaning to a wish, doesnt our Sovereign God get what He wishes? John Wesley said of this verse that God was 'not willing (Old English meaning) that any soul he hath made should perish.' Is God's will subject to Satan, will Satan have more victoies than God? There are scriptures that speak of this, this is only one, do you see there is a dilemma? Look forward to your reply, we are all seeking truth of Him, Yours in Him, Paul |
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4 | verse explains nonChrist knowing savior | 2 Cor 5:15 | glory2godnow | 178282 | ||
Paul...Man has a free will. it is up to each man to choose God. God has made provision but man has a free will...if he didnt we wouldn't really know love. | ||||||
5 | verse explains nonChrist knowing savior | 2 Cor 5:15 | brother paul | 178322 | ||
Hello Glory2Godnow, I couldnt agree with you more, without free will we cannot know true love. Is this the reason why unbelievers cannot know God's love because being in bondage to sin they have constricted free will? They are controlled by all manner of desires which curtail their freedom. The only ones in scripture I can find who are free are the anointed of God, 'If the Son SHALL MAKE YOU FREE, you are free indeed.' (John 8:36) We are not free until we know Him. 'The truth shall set you free,' and truth is His person, not an idea, 'I am the way and the truth....' Is this why He has to choose us and not us choosing Him? (John 15:16) We were not capable of a free will choice until we are in Him. Thank you, yours and His, Paul |
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6 | verse explains nonChrist knowing savior | 2 Cor 5:15 | kalos | 178323 | ||
Paul, Good post! You have the right idea. And you raise an interesting question: IF unbelievers have constricted free will, and IF salvation depends, as many suppose, on man's choosing, then How does anyone ever get saved? Grace to you, John |
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