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1 | verse explains nonChrist knowing savior | 2 Cor 5:15 | brother paul | 178167 | ||
Dear Kim, Thank you for your question, Romans 10:6,7 says we should not say in our hearts 'who will ascend into heaven, or who shall descend into the deep.' ...... salvation is God's business, not ours. BUT there are many scriptures that speak of an inifinite grace of God that is so great that I often wonder if ultimately he could reconcile everyone through Christ. What a victory that would be. 2 Peter 3:9, ' He is not willing that any should perish, but all should come to repentance.' The 'willing' here is 'boulamai' in the Greek, not a want but an edict, His sworn will. The term 'Papal Bull' has the same root, it is a law. Romans 14:11, 'Every knee shall bow' ... bow here is 'kampto', not forced to bow, thats 'sankampto' which occurs in Romans 11:10. 'Kampto' means to worship and reverence voluntarily,....... are they saved? Is there a way that God will bring averyone to Him, through Christ? What a thought? Is Jesus the saviour of the world? (John 3:17) Is he going to do it? Does he fail? 'Saviour' is the Greek 'Soter', it refers to a completed act not an offer of possibility. A life guard has not 'saved' anyone until they were in danger of death although he might have offered the possibility of rescue many times. Other verses, 1 Tim 2:4, 4:10, Rom 3:22 8:21, Luke 3:6, Rev 5:13, Psa 22:27,28, 72:17, 102:18, Heb 8:11, Phill 2:11, 1 Cor 15:25, Col 1:20, Gen 12:3, 18:18, 2 Cor 5:19. etc. etc. Yours, and His, in Him, Paul |
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2 | verse explains nonChrist knowing savior | 2 Cor 5:15 | Morant61 | 178172 | ||
Greetings Paul! While it would be great if everyone would accept Christ, Scripture makes it clear that this will not happen. Consider the following passages: 1) Mt. 7:13 - "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it. " 2) Mt. 7:21 - " ‘‘Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’" These two passage make it clear that some will not be saved. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | verse explains nonChrist knowing savior | 2 Cor 5:15 | brother paul | 178197 | ||
Dear Tim, Thank you for your reply, it is a dilemma, two contrasting sets of scriptures. How do we sort it out? If God seems to reject someone or group in His plan, does it effect the final reconciliation to Him? Israel is cast off, rejected and blinded by Him, (Romans 11:7,15) but then ALL Israel is to be saved. (vs.26) Matthew 7:13 speaks of those who go through the wide gate of popular worldly ways and it leads to destruction. 'Apoleia' in the Greek, a sense of loss of well being is one interpretation, I know because I have been there. Does this alter the final destination? Matthew 7: 21-23 is interesting because it involves entering the Kingdom of the heavens. John 3:5 makes the point that we have to be born of the spirit to enter the kingdom and there are many not at that stage until they recieve the gift from Him. This is the only way I can harmonize these verses, unless you have a better way. I find it difficult to explain but there seems to be a process of God that necessitates the alienation of the believer before adoption. The wilderness experience, the long night of the soul, wrestling with the angel. However you want to call it. It has been my walk with Him. There seems to be a separation that predates reconciliation echoed through the bible. Jesus leaves the church to come again, Eve is separated from Adam before being reunited, Israel is cast off before recieving salvation. Even Genesis 1:1, 'In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.' is using the Hebrew word 'Bara', translated 'create', which means to cut, divide or separate. Therefore in the beginning He separated the physical from the spiritual to perform His will that ultimately would reunite them. I seek of Him, it is my life, but I feel we are not confronting some of the major questions and contradictions that beset orthodoxy. Yours and His, in Him, Paul |
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4 | verse explains nonChrist knowing savior | 2 Cor 5:15 | jaydnson | 178212 | ||
I understand that once you are exposed to the idea or belief that the way to salvation is thru Jesus Christ, if that is known to you. If you have never had the opportunity to be taught about Jesus Christ and turn your life over to Jesus Christ, like millions of Chinese, South Africans and so on, then what? I read that God does not hold you accountable of salvation thru Christ if you don't know these laws or teachings. That God will not hold you accountable for laws you have never been told. God does however hold you accountalbe to the laws of his world. And if you live a decent life, (not knowing of Chirst), you can still enter the Kingdom. Christ died for all mankind, not just for the believers in him, because not everyone will know of him before they die. And the sins of Adam and Eve and all mankind remained on the cross after Jesus died on the cross for our sins. | ||||||
5 | verse explains nonChrist knowing savior | 2 Cor 5:15 | DocTrinsograce | 178213 | ||
Here is a better answer to that question than I've given: "Unbelievers who die without having heard the gospel go to hell, and so do Jews who reject Christ. Paul made both these points explcitly in Romans 1-3 (e.g. Rom. 2:12). They are all sinners (Rom. 3:9), and thus they earn the wages of sin, namely death (Rom. 6:23). "As Paul taught in Romans 10, this is why missions and evangelism are so important. People cannot be saved unless they believe the gospel, and they cannot believe the gospel unless they hear it, and they cannot hear it unless someone proclaims it to them. This is one reason that Paul declared himself innocent of all blood by virtue of the fact that he had preached the gospel everywhere (Acts 20:26-27). His point was that if he had failed to preach the gospel to everyone, then these people would have perished without Christ and would have gone to hell. Because it was his job to preach, their blood would have been on his head. By 'blood,' Paul meant that they would have perished. By speaking of his potential guilt in their perishing, Paul indicated that they would have been hopelessly lost. When we die, there is no longer any hope of salvation, but only judgment (Heb. 9:27). "This was also why Paul was so distraught over the Jews who rejected Christ (e.g. Rom. 9:1ff.) -- he knew they were going to hell. But Paul also recognized that God had made certain promises to the Israel, and that these promises could not fail. He explained this apparent disparity by saying that not everyone who was part of the nation of Israel was really a Jew in God's eyes (Rom. 9:6-13). The lack of faith of those Jews who rejected Christ indicated that they were not part of true Israel. To prove this, he used the typological examples of Isaac and Ishmael, and of Jacob and Esau. In both these generations, one brother was part of the true people of God and the other was not, even though they were both descended from a father who was in explicit covenant with God. In the same way, the descendants of Jacob (i.e. the nation of Israel) were divided between those who were chosen to receive the covenant blessings (such as the gospel) and those who were not chosen to receive them. Those who were not chosen to receive them were not truly part of Israel in God's eyes -- at least insofar as receiving mercy, salvation and other covenant blessings were concerned -- even though they were physical descendants of Israel. Rather, God preserved only a remnant of Jews as believers, and only that remnant was saved (Rom. 9:27-28)." --Ra McLaughlin |
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6 | verse explains nonChrist knowing savior | 2 Cor 5:15 | jlhetrick | 178246 | ||
Well presented; well said brother Doc, Jeff |
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