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1 | verse explains nonChrist knowing savior | 2 Cor 5:15 | brother paul | 178304 | ||
Hello Jeff, Thank you for your reply. I do seem to have a problem conveying my thoughts.... I apologize. For many yeas I have preached and taught, pontificating on the right and wrong, good and evil, saved and unsaved. Now I am not so sure. The black and white has faded and a kaleidescopic picture of God's totality is slowly emerging. (1 Cor 15:28) May I share some of the questions that I take to higher authority in prayer and meditation? It may help. If Jesus is the 'lamb slain from the founding of the world' (Rev 13:8) then the predicted fall of man was known from the conception of creation. To proceed with creation while knowing man would fall implies somehow it is part of God's will. I feel Genesis 2:17 is prophetic, 'when (not 'if') thou eatest.' Without Judas would we be Christian? Having played so vital a role in our redemption, is he saved? Jesus said 'I do nothing except that, that I see my Father do.' and again 'I have chosen twelve and one is a devil.' (John 5:19 and 6:70) Was Jesus copying his Father because he did nothing but imitate Him. Therefore if Jesus needs a devil to complete his ministry, did God need a satan to fulfill His plan? Is Pharaoh God's agent or enemy? Does a loving God harden his heart and then condemn him? Did not God create evil, (Isaiah 47:7) put evil spirits into Saul, (1 Sam 16:14,15) put evil in a city, (Amos 3:6) and uses a lying spirit. (1 Kings 22:22) Without David becoming a murderer and adulterer and Judah consorting with someone he thought to be a prostitute, we would not have the lineage of Christ. Have such 'sins' been part of His will? To summarize, I feel that there is something about this process of separation followed by reunion that performs a part of the divine design. Eve is separated from Adam before marriage, Christ leaves the Church to return for his bride, Israel is rejected for 'all Israel to be saved' later. (Rom 14:11) Paul speaks of the sin becoming exceedingly sinful that we might be 'concluded' in sin. This principle seems to be repeated at 1 Cor 5:5, 'deliver such a one unto satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.' This is not condoing unrighteousness, 'God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things that are not convienient.' (Rom 1:28) There is a price to be paid and lessons to be learnt, but it is permitted by Him for a eason in His divine will. The world becomes the compost heap of rotting decaying flesh, but it is a great place to grow seed. His blessing is with you, yours and His, Paul |
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2 | verse explains nonChrist knowing savior | 2 Cor 5:15 | Hank | 178338 | ||
Paul - [Judas] "having played so vital role in our redemption" ..... What a revelation this is! How interesing to ponder that Jesus' finished work on the cross was made possible by the son of perdition himself! Hurrah for Judas! What a heroic stunt he pulled off by his betrayal of the Son of God. Should the words of the hymn be changed to "What a friend we have in Judas"? --Hank | ||||||
3 | verse explains nonChrist knowing savior | 2 Cor 5:15 | kalos | 178339 | ||
Hank, Amen! And while we're at it, I suppose we owe our salvation in part to Caiaphas, Annas, Pilate, the Sanhedrin, the Roman soldiers, and a cast of thousands who were clamoring for Pilate to crucify him. John |
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