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1 | searching for the truth | 1 Cor 11:3 | EdB | 125931 | ||
Tim I agree we must be faithful to God at all costs and I also agree unity is not more important than truth. What Luther should have done was what he set out to do and in fact did do. That was change the church. Do you ever wonder what might have happened had all the reformers bent their knee in prayer rather than mounting fiery letters, speeches and sermons of indignation? While I can’t say I know they did or didn’t pray, I do often wonder if they allowed the ways of the world to enter a venue that should have remained spiritual. You stated, “Just to throw a monkey wrench in the discussion, isn't Scripture silent on who should make decisions about things Scripture is silent on?” Tim I’m not sure it is silent, while it is not a very popular idea I do think Christ empowered the church to make those decisions. Matthew 16:18-19 And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. [19] And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven." And I think we see the church doing exactly that in Act 15, which answers your next question, “We do see church councils making decisions about doctrine early in the church, but I don't recall any instances where this was the case concerning issues where Scripture was silent.” And as I said I think Acts 15 where the church was called to decide what the Gentiles should hold to and what they shouldn’t is one example. Further I agree that over time most everything leaves it’s initial zeal and holiness and becomes corrupt even the church. I guess my question is how do we change it? Do we protest, demonstrate, post 95 points, start a new denomination, stop attending church or do we realize we fight not against flesh and blood and all these things are flesh and blood weapons? I think the church was placed in the position to make the hard calls and I think when the church makes a decision that we just can’t accept we need to bath that decision in prayer. James 5:16 “… The effective, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much.” EdB |
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2 | searching for the truth | 1 Cor 11:3 | Morant61 | 125945 | ||
Greetings EdB! I would assume that Martin Luther made his choices only after much prayer, and at risk of his own life. The example of Acts 15 isn't an issue where Scripture is silent. Scripture is very clear that obeying the Law cannot save us. Acts 15 is simply an example of the church rightly deciding to obey God. In the case of Martin Luther, the church was persecuting him for obeying God. The church was the problem, at least the leadership of the church was the problem. :-) 2 John makes it very clear that we are to have nothing to do with false teachers. What is one to do when the false teachers are the church? :-( Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | searching for the truth | 1 Cor 11:3 | EdB | 125961 | ||
Tim From the reading I have done on the subject Martin Luther never intended to have what happened happen. His intent was let his dissatisfaction be known and do what he could to change the policy of indulgence. However he got caught up in the politics rejected various compromises and said things that he probably regretted and got excommunicated. He then later began to criticize the church’s position on grace and works, papal authority and such, but in truth the initial differences between Luther and church on these issues is completely blown out of proportion by much of Protestantism. Myths such as the chained Bible which are even on this forum saying the church didn’t want man to read the Bible are just one example of how many of the differences were misunderstood, magnified, or completely fabricated by people that just don’t know. I totally agree we are to nothing to do with false teachers. I think we have discussed this subject for it worth. I think we are now going down paths that serve no purpose. My interest was in handling situations where the Bible is silent I have no desire to defend or fight either Catholicism or the reformation. Thanks I wish we could have kept the subject on track a little more. EdB |
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4 | searching for the truth | 1 Cor 11:3 | EdB | 125967 | ||
To all in the the post this is appended to I made a comment about the chained Bible that was actually a snide remark aimed Kalos. I'm sorry and wish to offer my public apolgy to Kalos and every forum member. I'm sorry for by bad behavior. EdB |
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5 | searching for the truth | 1 Cor 11:3 | kalos | 125971 | ||
EdB: Your apology is accepted. Grace to you, kalos |
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