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1 | searching for the truth | 1 Cor 11:3 | EdB | 125744 | ||
Tim You opened the door let us walk through. You said, "You used the example of when the 'perfect' has come. Scripture never identifies what the 'perfect' is, so we are speculating when we try to guess." Exactly we don't know what the perfect is because scripture never identified it. Yet a major event is hinged on it. If we say tongues have passed away then the "perfect" has occurred so what is it's identity? If the perfect hasn’t yet come then tongues are for today. What is the answer? You said we must use sola scriptura yet scripture is silent. What then is the answer? If Peter were alive we would go with his decision but then where would Sola Scriptura be? If Paul were alive we accept his decision but again to violation of Sola Scriptura. If any Apostle were alive he would be the decision maker. At one point we would have abided by “The church’s” decision on the issue. However we “arbitrarily” rejected all earthly authority and made a rule if we can’t justify it by scripture it must be wrong. Perhaps that was our error. Is there a chance we missed Christ on this? Is that why we have questions and no answers, apparent contradictions where we know no contradictions exist, 3000 plus denominations instead of one church of Jesus Christ? There is no place in scripture that claims Sola Scriptura. If we use scripture for a model we see men coming together to make decisions that they can all stand in unity over. Later we see the church in various councils coming together to make a decision that they all can stand in unity in. This basically continued again putting political issues aside until the “age of enlightenment” where man decided he was smart enough and therefore needed no other man to tell him what was right and what was wrong. We even made it appear holy and very offical by wordsmithing a slogan like sola scriptura. Something that seems so right but yet doesn’t define the very thing an important event is hinged on. Tim I think you made my case with your statement, “Scripture never identifies what the 'perfect' is…” EdB |
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2 | searching for the truth | 1 Cor 11:3 | mark d seyler | 125746 | ||
Do you think Eph 4:7-14 have a bearing on whether the gifts of the Spirit are for today? "But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ's gift. Therefore He says: "When He ascended on high, He led captivity captive, And gave gifts to men." (Now this, "He ascended" --what does it mean but that He also first descended into the lower parts of the earth? He who descended is also the One who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things.) And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting". If I read this right, does it mean that the gifts God has given us will be there for us to minister to each other, until we have been perfected in Christ, either by completing our work in this world, or by Jesus returning for us? What do you think? Mark |
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3 | searching for the truth | 1 Cor 11:3 | EdB | 125808 | ||
Mark This discussion isn't debate on the gifts but rather on Bible interpretation. We were merely using this passage as an example of whether the Bible is crystall clear or not. EdB |
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