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1 | searching for the truth | 1 Cor 11:3 | JCrichton | 125327 | ||
Hi, justme! The word “obey” may not have been transcribed from the original text but the phrase “subject to” and the idea of subordination (this of course according to God’s Way not ours) has been in several Biblical versions: Ephesians 5:22, 23, 24 Wives should be subject to their husbands as to the Lord, since, as Christ is head of the Church and saves the whole body, so is a husband head of his wife; and as the Church is subject to Christ, so should wives be to their husbands, in everything. It is common sense to think of the phrase “subject to” as: depending on or abiding in, etc… As I was typing my response the term “obey” happened to jump into the frame of thought and while the phrasing may not have been “politically correct,“ nonetheless, it is supported by the Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary: 2subject 1: owing obedience or allegiance to the power or domination of another This terminology, of course, does not mean that woman is subject to the whims of man. The Scripture is very precise, though somewhat confusing and ambiguous at times (yes, it is an oxymoron): the woman is subject to her husband while the man is to love his wife as he loves himself, even to the point of forfeiting his life to protect and serve his wife!: Ephesians 5:25, 33 Husbands should love their wives, just as Christ loved the Church and sacrificed himself for her To sum up: you also, each one of you, must love his wife as he loves himself… And equality comes not from the woman usurping the man’s authority, but from God Himself!: 1 Corinthians 11:11-12 However, in the Lord, though woman is nothing without man, man is nothing without woman; and though woman came from man, so does every man come from a woman, and everything comes from God. We are equal in the Lord; yet, in matter of authority, God has made a clear pronouncement: 1 Corinthians 11:3 But I should like you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. Please, do not be offended by definitions of words… and do not seek to find every single thought and word expressly transcribed (or is the catch word “transliterated?”) in the Bible. We lose so much when we indulge in disputes over semantics or origins of words or grammatical accidents or transliterations… Do we know with unequivocal exactness if our Lord spoke in only one language (Aramaic) or did He expressed Himself in the various languages of His environment (Aramaic, Hebrew, Greek, Latin…)? We should strive to obey our Lord’s command by being obedient to the Word, even when we think it is outdated or if some parts of it seem no longer fashionable! I leave you Peace--our Lord’s! God Bless! Angel |
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2 | searching for the truth | 1 Cor 11:3 | Morant61 | 125460 | ||
Greetings Angel! I was thinking as I was reading your post, if 'subject' simply means 'to obey', then according to Eph. 5:21, we are all supposed to 'obey' each other! :) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | searching for the truth | 1 Cor 11:3 | JCrichton | 125483 | ||
Hi, Tim Moran! You are correct! There is no ownership in the Bible, as far as Christians are concerned. Even the servants/slaves are taught to serve their masters in Christ--for Christ is the true Master. But when we read Ephisians 5:21 with its accompanying text, we will discover that it is a general statement for all Christians at all levels. We should not take it out of context and apply this particular verse to Pauls admonishions about the service of a woman and a man in the Lord. If we haphazardly apply every Scripture to whatever we please, could the Jehovah Witnesses then not be right in claiming that Jesus is not God since Jesus Himself attests that "not even the Son" knows about the exactness of the end of times? Would we not be negating every single Scripture that not only hints but categorically tell us that Jesus Christ is God? But still as far as the Word is concerned, it was not Sarah who received the promised, it was Abraham; and this has always been God's choice from the very beginning: Was it not Eve who first disobeyed? Yet who did God addressed? Did He call Eve to answer for their behavior? It was not Eve who came up with the first excuse it was Adam as he attempted to shift the blame onto the woman. Now, we could argue for ever about the authority of God and the responsibility will always fall on man. And we can choose to resolve the issue by allowing society to dictate a new mandate where the woman is equal partner in man's responsibility--but would this be seen as right in the eyes of God? Would He not query, 'When did I put forth such revelation?' Everything is possible to God! That has never been at issue. Jesus said, one time, that God could make children of Abraham out some stones (Matthew 3:9). So God could easily replace man with woman for any fellowship/worship duties. My argument is that there is no evidence in the Scriptures that such has happened. And those who comment on the the Church adapting to the changes in society seem to think that God is a respecter of our ways! The teachings of the Old Testament are not there just to beef up the Bible: Two sons of Aaron died because their offering of fire to God was that of an unauthorized source. Again, equality in God's terms does not mean that woman and man can interchange their God-given authority as it pleases them--society claims to give us equality, but it is a lopsided equality where women are not treated as equal to men, even when they become "one of the guys!" Were the Apostles just a product of their environment? Was Jesus? God Bless! Angel |
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4 | searching for the truth | 1 Cor 11:3 | Morant61 | 125495 | ||
Greetings Angel! Don't take me wrong my friend! I believe in Biblical submission. But, I think that the concept of 'obedience' has been read into the term to a greater extent than the word merits. To me, Eph. 5:21 is evidence of this. The same word is used in the same immediate context as the passage dealing with marriage. Yet, the word clearly does not indicate a 'I said this, so you had better obey' relationship. To me, the word (and the context) stresses willing and loving servanthood. All Christians, in all of their relationships, should seek to serve others. The wife should serve the husband. The husband should serve the wife. The child should serve the parent. The parent should serve the child, ect.... This word is used throughout Eph. 5, so I can't see how it would be taking it out of context. :-) In fact, I would argue that everything that follows Eph. 5:21 is a detailed description of what Paul meant in 5:21, not a change of subject. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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5 | searching for the truth | 1 Cor 11:3 | Country Girl | 125502 | ||
I would like to think you're on the right track, but then I thought I'd contribute. In my opinion, God looks at this issue rather simply and expects us as His children to look at it just as simply. Since the very first, from Cain and Able to King Saul, all the way through the Law of Moses and the rest of the Bible, it's always been a simple matter of obedience or submission to God's way. Saul found that out, just like Cain, Nadib and Abihu, Ananias and Saphira did and many, many others. Each person has to make up his own mind by reading the whole Bible and drawing his own conclusion. Is it going to be God's way or does a person insist on seeing it his way and offer God a counter proposal? Anything else other than God's way is unacceptable. Now that's NOT to say that there is no Grace, Mercy or Forgiveness for indeed, thanks be to God there is, but God doesn't want us taking it for granted. We must do our dead level best to obey as much as we can, then His Grace will cover the rest. Just like we as parents want our kids to obey us in their role as obedient children, God wants the same. Just like Jesus portrayed with his approval of little children coming to Him. There's nothing we could possibly do to come up with to substitute for simple obedience to God's Will. Would you not agree with that? Hoping for a positive response and blessings to you. Country Girl |
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6 | searching for the truth | 1 Cor 11:3 | Morant61 | 125515 | ||
Greetings Country Girl! I would agree that God wants us to obey Him! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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