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1 | What is the Bible's take on sacriments? | Acts 13:38 | Reformer Joe | 68596 | ||
You wrote: "What I?m saying is God in his holiness, justice, and love for us could have made anything the ransom for sin" Paul wrote: "I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly." --Galatians 2:21 Christ NEEDED to die. "For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh" --Romans 8:3 "Is the Law then contrary to the promises of God? May it never be! For if a law had been given which was able to impart life, then righteousness would indeed have been based on law." --Galatians 3:21 The bottom line of your position is that ultimately, Jesus Christ, the holy Son of God, did not have to die for our redemption. Out of a myriad of possibilities that God could have chosen (including painless ones), He sends one who shares His essence with Himself to die an undeserved death, when it all could have been avoided by God saying anything else (or nothing else, as indicated in your last concrete example) could serve as the ground of our justification? It just doesn't wash. And Martin Luther agreed: "Among the distinguished teachers there are some who say that forgiveness of sins and the justification by grace consists entirely of divine imputation, that is in God's accounting it sufficient that he whom he reckons or does not reckon sin is justified or not justified for his sins by this...If this were true, the whole New Testament would be nothing and in vain. And Christ would have labored foolishly and uselessly by suffering for sin." That's basically all I have to say on this matter. You are surprised that I am allegedly limiting God by saying His justice is not trumped by His freedom. I am shocked that you believe God chose what is undoubtedly the most horrific act in the history of the universe as the ground for reconciling us to Himself when He didn't have to. --Joe! |
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2 | What is the Bible's take on sacriments? | Acts 13:38 | EdB | 68606 | ||
Joe Again you misunderstand, it is as if you try to find a point of disagreement rather than look at what I'm trying to express. I hope you know as well as I do none of what I said was an attempt to downplay or even minimize what Jesus did for us on the cross or the cost of that act in God’s eyes. I thought we were venturing into a philosophical discussion on the Sovereignty of God and the defining of our absolutes as God revealed his nature. However you make it appear that I’m attacking the work of the cross. Nothing could be further from the point I was making. I was using the act of salvation as an example of God’s gradual and loving unveiling of the nature of His attributes of justice, love, grace, and forgiveness. If it appeared to you as if I was downplaying the act salvation or the work of the cross I sincerely apologize. I’m sorry I failed to express myself with the clarity of thought that conveyed my real intention. I’m even a little hurt you would consider me capable of such a thing. If on the other hand you once again attempt to turn the table for the sake of debate then let us say I delight in the first sentence of your last paragraph. EdB |
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