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1 | One thread? | John 8:24 | Morant61 | 234533 | ||
Greetings Andy! Happy Thanksgiving to you too my friend! You raise a number of points in this post. I will try to address them all. 1) Strong's number 1961. It is the same verb used in the Psalms, but it does appear to be pointed differently. I don't have the resources here to find out why. So, I'll have to dig some more on that point. 2) LXX: 'Ego eimi' is used in the LXX, but they follow it with the participial form of 'eimi'. So, it ends us reading 'ego eimi ho on'. This was their attempt to capture the same meaning in Greek. 3) Exact titles: Ex. 3:14 actually disproves your contention about exact titles. :-) In the first part of the verse, God says, "I AM WHO I AM". But, in the second part of the verse, God says, "This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.' " So, God Himself didn't even use the exact title in the save verse. 4) Alluding: I think you are reading more in to my use of the term than I intended. What I am trying to say is that 'I am' is a normal verb than everyone used hundreds of times a day. One could say, "I am tired", ect.... But, Jesus used it in a way that does not make sense in normal usage and in a way that would call the hearers attention back to Ex. 3:14. Did they understand exactly who He was? No! Otherwise, they would not have killed Him. But, they understood from His statements that He was claiming something no mere mortal man could possible claim. This is why I used to word 'alluding'. Like many of Jesus' teachings, one could always dig deeper into the meaning of what He was saying. The evidence is there for those who are willing to dig. Unfortunately, the Jewish leaders were not willing to dig deeper. 5) Context: While Jesus certainly mentions His Father in John 8, nowhere in that chapter does He use the phrase 'Son of God'. But, in 8:58 Jesus uses the 'I am' statement, and immediately they pick up stones to stone Him. So, I hold that the contextual evidence is strongly in favor of Jesus claiming to be God. 6) Church fathers and the Council of Nicea: My concern in what Scripture says, not what the church fathers said. At best, their statements (or lack of statements) are anecdotal evidence. As for the Council of Nicea, the length of time had nothing to with people not accepting the Deity of Christ, as only two Bishop rejected His Deity. The length of time had to do with the careful hammering out of the proper wording to express what the Church believed about the nature of Christ. We could condense to one thread! Have a great day my friend. I have to run. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | One thread? | John 8:24 | Andy S. | 234540 | ||
THIS THREAD HAS MOVED TO THE FEED ENTITLED "DIE IN YOUR SINS". THIS DISCUSSION HAS OVERLAPPED AND THIS 2 DIMENSIONED DIALOGUE HAS BECOME 1 DIMENSIONED. THESE ISSUES WILL BE DISCUSSED MORE IN THE THREAD ENTITLED "DIE IN YOUR SINS". | ||||||