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1 | AO, was His John 3 not in effect? | John 4:14 | Searcher56 | 103273 | ||
AO ... I think you believe that one needs to be baptized (by water immersion) to be saved, based on previous posts and this one. Was what Jesus taught in John 3 not in effect when thief on the cross died? Searcher |
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2 | AO, was His John 3 not in effect? | John 4:14 | deejhermit | 103308 | ||
Was Jesus teaching that you need to be baptized in John chapter 3, as Jesus was talking to the ruler Nicodemus? The answer is NO He was not. You can only say He was, if you take the scripture out of context. Let's look at it. 5 Jesus answered, Truly I say to you, Except a man be born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of Heaven. (if you stop there, maybe you make a case that Jesus is talking about baptism, but let us read on.) 6 That which is born of flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Look at the parallelism in Jesus teaching. "Born of water and of the Spirit" "That which is born of flesh is flesh; that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." Born of water is talking about our earthly birth, that of flesh, coming from or mother's womb, (which as we know, and of course Jesus does also, involves water). Jesus is not talking about Baptism here, but rather he is teaching Nicodemus that being born again is not talking about going back to the mother's womb, which Nicodemus mistakenly thinks in verse 4. This does mean christians are not obligated to be baptized - they are. Jesus taught that in the very tail end of Matthew's account of Jesus coming to the disciples after his resurrection, (Matt. 28: 19-20). Also in the Gospel of Mark where Jesus told the disciples, "he that believes and is baptized will be saved, but he who does not believe shall be damned." (Some try to reason away the importance of baptism in this verse, because Jesus doesn't restate it in the second half of the verse, but that will not fit when we consider God's whole revelation.) I encourage everyone to read through the the History of Acts, it is amazing that everytime someone becomes a christian they are baptized. Jesus' disciples who were promised the Holy Spirit's teaching, write about the significance of Baptism, how in it we are buried with Jesus. We put to death the old man of sin, and our sins our washed away. (Paul was told - "what are you waiting for arise and be baptized, and wash your sins away"). And when we rise out of the waters of Baptism we rise with Jesus to life. How beautiful a plan God gives! Please brothers and sisters let us stop minimizing God's plan, God's will, which he has revealed to us in the scriptures!! Do not disregard what the scriptures plainly teach, I beg... I hope this has served to help anyone with questions |
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3 | AO, was His John 3 not in effect? | John 4:14 | Searcher56 | 103311 | ||
It is not true that "that everytime someone becomes a christian they are baptized" ... Let us look in Acts at the salvation experiences: -2:41 ... 3,000 saved and baptized -4:4 ... 5,000 is total ... no mention of baptism -5:14 ... many added ... no mention of baptism -8:14-17 ... Samaritans ... who were baptized -8:34-39 ... Ethopian ... who was baptized -9:5-19 ... Paul ... who was baptized *10:44-48 Cornelius and his house ... who were baptized -16:5 ... the norm during Paul'a trip is that baptism is not mentioned, except twice ...16:14-15 ... Lydia and her household ...16:31-34 ... jailer and his family *19:5-7 ... the 12 disciples of John weren't even baptized Moreover, nowhere do we see that we need to be baptized to be saved. Read the posts for the verses the Campbelites like to quote. |
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4 | AO, was His John 3 not in effect? | John 4:14 | Aspiring Overseer | 103316 | ||
How many times must something (such as baptism) need be mentioned to make it a commandment of God? Must God mention it every time He gives us an example of conversion? AO |
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5 | AO, was His John 3 not in effect? | John 4:14 | Searcher56 | 103317 | ||
it must be a commandment and be consistent ... and being baptized at/ for salvation is neither. | ||||||
6 | AO, was His John 3 not in effect? | John 4:14 | Aspiring Overseer | 103324 | ||
Searcher, If an Apostle taught that baptism was required, was that their own opinion or God's command? Acts 2:38 38And Peter said to them, "Repent, and let each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. NAS Acts 8:36 36And as they went along the road they came to some water; and the eunuch said, "Look! Water! What prevents me from being baptized?" NAS Acts 16:32-34 33And he took them that very hour of the night and washed their wounds, and immediately he was baptized, he and all his household. NAS Acts 18:7-8 8And Crispus, the leader of the synagogue, believed in the Lord with all his household, and many of the Corinthians when they heard were believing and being baptized. NAS We could go much further, but why do we need more? AO |
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7 | AO, was His John 3 not in effect? | John 4:14 | Morant61 | 103329 | ||
Greetings AO! No one disputes that baptism is commanded of Christians. The dispute centers on the question of whether or not baptism is necessary for salvation - i.e. - no baptism, no salvation. Notice that not one of the verses you cited actually says that one must be baptized to be saved. They simply speak of the command to those who have already repented to be baptized. We all agree there. But, speaking of what the Apostles taught, Acts 16:30-31 clearly spells out what is required for salvation. :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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