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1 | Where does it say "MUST be baptised" | John 3:5 | Hank | 111401 | ||
Brad, Rowdy directed you to his post to me, #111393. If you can find that in it he answered your questions or mine, please let me know. I've read the post twice and fail to see anything in it but artful dodges and evasions. But perhaps it's I who needs instruction in how to discern meaning from the printed page, even when there may be no real meaning implied or intended. Be a sport. Help me, Brad! Tell me what Rowdy said. And try to make it simple for me. You see, Rowdy talks way over my head. I have no earthly idea, for instance, of what his theological meaning is when he says, "Better be safe than sorry" and even less of what it means to "approach Bible study philosophically." So, lend me a hand. I don't want to miss out on these pearls our friend has cast before me. After all, philosophically speaking, it's better to be safe than sorry. --Hank | ||||||
2 | Where does it say "MUST be baptised" | John 3:5 | BradK | 111444 | ||
Hank, I too am at a loss as to any direct answer!Post #111393 did in no way shed any light on my simple mind. It just wasn't made clear to me. The art of avoiding a direct answer by sidestepping, is more acceptable in the realm of politics than theology. The "better safe than sorry" seems to me to indicate uncertainty. Though there are indeed numerous scriptures on both sides of the issue, a specific response would certainly help clarify?! Theology means "the study of God" and God is not the author of confusion, nor does He speak in philosophical relativism, but in truth! Speaking the Truth in Love, Bradk |
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3 | Where does it say "MUST be baptised" | John 3:5 | Rowdy | 111461 | ||
Basically, I guess you're seeing my responses as dodges because there is no specific verse in the Bible that has all the steps of salvation in a nice perfect, 1-2-3 style format. We have to study all the examples of God's disciples following the instruction/teaching from the Apostles. I work in an office environment that is guided by contract law so that's the mentality I've developed when I study God's word. Since there is no Standard Operating Procedure as mentioned above for this gift of salvation, we're forced to study all of God's Word to come up with a conclusion, just like we do with civil law or contract law. We look for precedents and specific phrases and try to make sense of it all. I'm convinced that God's Word does NOT contradict itself but some of the passages are difficult to understand. I'm also convinced that if we take all the passages that seem to be related to this subject of accepting salvation from God, and then put those actions in some kind of logical flow, we can be assured we have God's plan of salvation. Now, if one of those steps in that process is too much, it couldn't hurt; we'll have followed the process as closely as we could. In this sense we "covered all the bases" and then some but no harm done. BUT however, if we were to leave one of those steps out of the process and meet God not having put our faith in His process, what can we possibly say to our God on Judgement Day? How can anyone argue with this kind of logic? But in an effort to be fair, I'd like to challenge you to quote Book, Chapter and verse in one passage where you get your specific steps to salvation. Tell me where God specifically tells anyone the exact process in a step-by-step fashion what it takes to be saved. Remember we're talking about one specific passage from one Bible person, or one single example that's all inclusive. I'd love to hear from anyone on the Forum take up this challenge. God bless you all. Just so we're clear on this process, God's process. The steps as I see them is: 1) Hear the Word of God, the Gospel of Christ 2) Believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God 3) Repent of one's sins which includes the resolve to not go back to a life of intentional sin 4) Be baptized for the remission of sins, contacting the blood of Jesus in faith 5) Live faithfully the christian life to death or to the end of time, this dispensation whereupon the Lord comes. |
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4 | Where does it say "MUST be baptised" | John 3:5 | Rowdy | 112147 | ||
Since it's been a full week since I issued the challenge as cited above, I thought I would balance the scale a little more in contrast to the big question about "must be baptized." I remembered this little tidbit of a good questtion from a previous discussion of this topic long before I my membership on this Forum. Here is the question: Where in the Bible is there any semblance of an example or any verse whatsoever that suggests salvation is available from our Father after a show of faith ONLY? Notice the word ONLY. That means to the exclusion of any other act of obedience or anything else at all. And believe me, I don't mean to ask this question in a mean-spirited manner. I just want to do everythiing in my power to help you all see God's Word clearly. Remember if we love Jesus, we must obey ALL His words as they will be the standard by which we're judged. God bless you all. PS: I almost forgot. I can't hardly believe I did this but I left out an important step of God's plan of salvation and that was: Confession of Jesus as being the Son of God. This step should have appeared between repentance and baptism. I apologize for the oversight. Hopefully, you all may have noticed it. |
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