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1 | When Jesus died, did dead people really | John 11:43 | Jaknik | 48742 | ||
One could make the case that it is not Independency that is central, but simply each writer writing for a different audience for different circumstances. For example, assuming that Mark was the first gospel written, it is clearly bareboned. Much is left out or not explained fully. Also, Mark was not a Jew, and clearly is not that well versed in the OT. Matthew apparently notes these ommisions. And Matthew is a Jew, unlike Mark, and sees the necessity of addressing more directly his own Jewish brethren, in order to keep them aboard for the new changes. Ditto for Luke, who is probably not a Jew, but now sees the expansion going full tilt out into the gentile communities. Thus his changes, enhancements, embellishments are geared for the non-Jewish. The most "independent" of all the Books is JOHN. John sees the need to redirect the current emphasis and thought of the 2nd Coming, that was believed by the New Christians to be imminent. The only problem with that was that Jesus never came back when expected. And that's where John tries to divert or change this belief, by explaining that the REAL 2nd Coming was that of the Holy Spirit being sent after Jesus ascended to heaven. So, in many ways, the writings of the four gospels were progressions that were propelled by the governing realities and changing dynamics of the various time periods. And of course, they weren't the only versions, but simply the versions kept by the two councils who voted them in, during the latter part of the 4th century AD (or thereabouts)... One has to wonder why the councils did not deem it more appropriate to "edit" these four in some fashion, to make them more compatible. At least, to agree on some basic tenets, such as the number of "angels" at the tomb, etc.... |
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2 | When Jesus died, did dead people really | John 11:43 | Reformer Joe | 48766 | ||
You wrote: "Also, Mark was not a Jew, and clearly is not that well versed in the OT." Mark was indeed a Jew. Where did you get the information that he was not? You also wrote: "The only problem with that was that Jesus never came back when expected. And that's where John tries to divert or change this belief, by explaining that the REAL 2nd Coming was that of the Holy Spirit being sent after Jesus ascended to heaven." I don't know whom you have been reading lately, but John certainly didn't shy away from a bodily second coming of Jesus Christ: "In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also." --John 14:2-3 Jesus did not say only that the Spirit would come, but that HE would be returning. Since the Son is not the Spirit, His sending the Spirit is not His won promised return. Just to clarify, however, what exactly do you believe? Do you believe that Jesus is God, born of a virgin, crucified and risen again for the sins of all those who will trust in His sacrifice? Do you believe that Jesus is coming again? If you believe any of this, what is the basis of such a belief? If you don't believe these things, why do you consider yourself a Christian (if indeed you do)? --Joe! |
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3 | When Jesus died, did dead people really | John 11:43 | Jaknik | 48776 | ||
John 14: 25 "I am telling you these things now while I am still with you. But when the Father sends the Comforter instead of me--and by the Comforter I mean the Holy Spirit John 16: 5 thru 24 |
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4 | When Jesus died, did dead people really | John 11:43 | Reformer Joe | 48777 | ||
Okay, I understand that the Holy Spirit came after Christ's ascension....where do you see the "instead of me" part? Christ is coming again. The Holy Spirit's presence now does not make that false. --Joe! |
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5 | When Jesus died, did dead people really | John 11:43 | Jaknik | 48785 | ||
At this time period in the New Church's history, many of the Jewish converts were returning to the old Jewish religion. One of the main causes for this defection was that they had believed the @nd Coming was to occur in their lifetimes, as suggested in Mark, Matthew, and Luke. This was a problem that had to be dealt with, one of the ways was that John tried to inject the notion that the 2nd Coming had, indeed, occurred via the arrival of the Holy Ghost.... | ||||||
6 | When Jesus died, did dead people really | John 11:43 | flinkywood | 48805 | ||
Jaknik, did you answer Reformer Joe's question anywhere: "Do you believe that Jesus is God, born of a virgin, crucified and risen again for the sins of all those who will trust in His sacrifice? Do you believe that Jesus is coming again? If you believe any of this, what is the basis of such a belief? If you don't believe these things, why do you consider yourself a Christian (if indeed you do)?" I would ask you this way: Do you believe in your heart that Jesus is God? Do you believe in your heart that you are a sinner? Have you asked forgiveness from God? Have you received Christ as your Savior? Colin. |
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