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1 | When Jesus died, did dead people really | John 11:43 | Jaknik | 48751 | ||
You're engaging is "sophistry"... | ||||||
2 | When Jesus died, did dead people really | John 11:43 | Morant61 | 48753 | ||
Greetings Jaknik! Sophistry: "Plausible but misleading or faulty argumentation" My argument was simply this: A contradiction is a statement that something is A and not A at the same time in the same way. Would you care to illuminate me as to how this is faulty or misleading? What appears to be faulty to me is your implied definition of a contradiction as being any account which does not list every possible detail. If you can actually demonstrate a contradiction (as defined by the dictionary), I would buy your argument. Until then, your statements are simply not valid! Sorry, but you were the one who claimed contradictions in the text, not me! ;-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | When Jesus died, did dead people really | John 11:43 | Jaknik | 48755 | ||
Contradiction: a) to assert the opposite of b) to deny the statement of c) to be contrary to; be inconsistent with Obviously our "problem" is under the umbrella statement: "...the meaning you get out of something, depends upon what you bring to that something..." Think about that. Here's an example: In Matthew, John the Baptist baptizes Jesus, knows who he is, witnesses the dove, hears the voice from above declaring Jesus as the Son. But then, when John is thrust in prison, and hears about the miracles that Jesus is doing, sends some of is disciples to ask Jesus if it's really true, that he is the real Son. Hmmmm....no questions here? Nothing of interest? Is there a non-sophistical answer to clear this up? Not to "explain" it away, but to CLEAR it up. That should be fair... |
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4 | When Jesus died, did dead people really | John 11:43 | Morant61 | 48757 | ||
Greetings Jaknik! I really don't understand where you see a problem with this issue! John is in prison. I'm sure things didn't work out quite the way he expected. So, he send his disciples out for some reassurance. I've had the same sort of exprience myself. I was called to preach when I was 14 years old. I spent years preparing for ministry. When I was about 34, I had some serious family problems (a run away daughter) which resulted in my being temporarily out of pastoral ministry. As time passed, I begin to wonder, "Was I really called?" "Why have things worked out the way they have?" Does this mean that I was never called? Does it mean that I never really believed in my call? Of course not! It simply means that as a human being, I began to have some doubts. This is all that happened to John. But, however you clear it up, there simply isn't a contradiction here! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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5 | When Jesus died, did dead people really | John 11:43 | Jaknik | 48765 | ||
That would be a mighty big "doubt" for John the Baptist to have, especially when he is Elijah the prophet (according to Jesus). 1. John (was) Elijah 2. John knew who Jesus was 3. John baptizes Jesus 4. John witnesses the dove 5. John hears the voice from heaven And you suggest that John STILL would have doubts? Most folks would look at the above and not arrive at your conclusion at all. Be honest. Isn't is puzzling that the alleged prophet Elijah would not know the score? And not know, especially after the direct confrontation he had with Jesus, the dove, and the voice? It stretches credulity to suggest otherwise..... |
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6 | When Jesus died, did dead people really | John 11:43 | Morant61 | 48768 | ||
Greetings Jaknik! Your right, Elijah never had doubts! Did he? Remember after the events at Mt. Carmel, when Elijah was ready to die because of fear over Jezebel's threats? Doubting is human. When people are under stress for too long, or tired, or hungry, they tend to get depressed or down. John was human. I can't fault him for that! But, even if you don't accept my view, 'stretching credulity' still does not equal 'contradiction'. ;-) Personally, I think the whole account is very human and very believeable. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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7 | When Jesus died, did dead people really | John 11:43 | Jaknik | 48779 | ||
It may be "..human and beievable" but still raises questions. Nothing wrong with taking stock, sitting back, and saying. "...hmmmm, let's check this out, make sure the t's are crossed, the i's dotted. But in this case, I still say if I, personally had been in John's sandals, and I knew beforehand that Jesus was definitely the Messiah, I saw the dove from heaven alight, and a big booming voice from heaven, I would have NO DOUBTS. And, it is my opinion, that all of that would have been enough for most people.... | ||||||