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1 | Did you forgive the Tuesday terrorists? | Matt 6:14 | Bill Mc | 16275 | ||
Dear Forum Readers, there are many who read this forum seeking scriptural answers to questions concerning life, death, God, man and the forgiveness of sins. We are all at different levels of spiritual maturity, growing in our knowledge of our Lord and His love. Please allow me to reassure some of you regarding the forgiveness of sins. It is being implied in this thread that if you, personally, do not forgive the terrorist for their sins, then God will not or has not forgiven you. This is a grave misunderstanding. Your forgiveness of sins before God is not based upon the above verse out of Matthew. The forgiveness of sins is based entirely upon Christ's redemptive work on the cross. "Without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sins" - Hebrews 9:22. Christ shed blood at the cross is what provides that forgiveness. All the Old Testament points to that one sacrifice at the cross and all the New Testament points back to it. If you are a believer in Jesus Christ, you have the forgiveness of your sins. Please see the following verses: Jesus said at the cross, in Luke 23:34 - "Father, forgive them, because they don't know what they are doing." That forgiveness for sins is only received upon placing one's faith in Christ. Once that is done, no more forgiveness is necessary or provided for the believer. Forgiveness is part of redemption. See these other verses: Eph 1:7 In Him we HAVE redemption through His blood, the FORGIVENESS of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace. Col 1:14 in whom we HAVE redemption, the FORGIVENESS of sins. Col 2:13 When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having FORGIVEN us ALL our transgressions. Eph 4:32 Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also HAS FORGIVEN you. Col 3:13 bearing with one another, and forgiving each other, whoever has a complaint against anyone; just as the Lord FORGAVE you, so also should you. 1 John 2:12 I am writing to you, little children, because your sins HAVE BEEN FORGIVEN you for His name's sake. Acts 26:18 to open their eyes so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the dominion of Satan to God, that they may RECEIVE FORGIVENESS of sins and an inheritance among those who have been sanctified by faith in Me.' (When is it received? When they turn to God.) Heb 9:26 Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to PUT AWAY SIN by the sacrifice of Himself. Rev 1:5 says, "To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood--" When and how were we released from our sins? By our death? No, by the blood shed at His death. Heb 10:17 "AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE." Jesus Christ said as He was shedding His last drops of blood, "It is finished! Paid in full!" His redemptive work was done. Our part is to place our faith in that work and accept it. In conclusion, if you are a believer, your forgiveness of sins IS NOT based upon whether or not you have forgiven the terrorists. And the inverse is also true. If you are not a believer, forgiving the terrorist WILL NOT secure forgiveness of sins from God on your behalf. Christ alone has done this. In Christ, Bill Mc |
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2 | Bill Mc, Are you twisting Scripture? | Matt 6:14 | Searcher56 | 16279 | ||
Bill Mc, Are you twisting Scripture? I never said the sin of unbelief confession at conversion is what Jesus is saying. It is sins afterward. Steve | ||||||
3 | Bill Mc, Are you twisting Scripture? | Matt 6:14 | Bill Mc | 16291 | ||
Dear Steve, no, I am not twisting scripture. I am trying to show you that there is a difference in forgiveness before the cross and forgiveness after the cross. All your sins were forgiven at the cross. I have posted scripture references to support this. If I said that we must believe that Christ has provided full forgiveness for sins but that we must also bring animal sacrifices back in to cover sins after conversion, I would be labeled (and rightly so) a heretic. Why? Because I would be mixing two different covenants. The Old was replaced by the New. Forgiveness before the cross of Christ was secured differently than after the cross. Sins before the cross were only 'atoned for', covered as a pointer to the once-for-all sacrifice that Messiah would make. Did you notice all the verses that I posted saying, 'FORGIVE BECAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN FORGIVEN.' It is a completed, eternal act of God, Steve. If you add ANYTHING to it, then you take away from it. In Him, Bill Mc |
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4 | Bill Mc, Are you twisting Scripture? | Matt 6:14 | Searcher56 | 16297 | ||
Bill Mc, but if you cut out this verse, you are taking away from the Bible. Are you saying this was said before the cross, so is not in affect? -If so, do you the the same with the rest of the Bible? -If not, why cannot you forgive? Steve |
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5 | Bill Mc, Are you twisting Scripture? | Matt 6:14 | Bill Mc | 16301 | ||
Steve, yes, this verse is not in effect after the cross. In the same way that OT animal sacrifices are not in effect after the cross. I am not cutting any verse out. Because I believe in Christ's once-for-all sacrifice does not mean that I cut out the Old Testament. But there is a reason that God gave us the New Testament. I don't believe that the Spirit of God will ever leave me. Does that mean that I cut out where David said, "Don't take Your Spirit from me." No. I don't cut it out. But I do recognize that there is a distinction in the covenants and that I, as a New Testament believer would not pray that prayer. In Him, Bill Mc |
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6 | Bill Mc, Are you twisting Scripture? | Matt 6:14 | Searcher56 | 16313 | ||
Bill Mc, I think you are in great danger by saying "this verse is not in effect after the cross". This thought just in, did He promised the Holy Spirit before the cross? Was that in effect after the cross? If so, can you choose what is not in effect now? Steve |
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