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NASB | Matthew 6:14 "For if you forgive others for their transgressions, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Matthew 6:14 "For if you forgive others their trespasses [their reckless and willful sins], your heavenly Father will also forgive you. |
Subject: Bill Mc, Are you twisting Scripture? |
Bible Note: Bill: You are taking Luke 14:33 out of its context: "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. Whoever does not carry his own cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple. "For which one of you, when he wants to build a tower, does not first sit down and calculate the cost to see if he has enough to complete it? Otherwise, when he has laid a foundation and is not able to finish, all who observe it begin to ridicule him, saying, 'This man began to build and was not able to finish. Or what king, when he sets out to meet another king in battle, will not first sit down and consider whether he is strong enough with ten thousand men to encounter the one coming against him with twenty thousand? Or else, while the other is still far away, he sends a delegation and asks for terms of peace. "So then, none of you can be My disciple who does not give up all his own possessions." --Luke 14:25-33 Jesus numbers one's family, one's spouse, and even one's life among the possessions that His disciples must give up (v. 25). He then turns to two parables which demonstrate the principle of "counting the cost" of being Christ's disciple. Only then does he say, "so then" and sum up the teaching. The thrust of this passage is not that we must literally give everything away. If all of Jesus' disciples literally had to give everything away that Jesus mentions, then Peter and the other apostles have a serious problem, which Paul justifies: "Do we not have a right to take along a believing wife, even as the rest of the apostles and the brothers of the Lord and Cephas?" --1 Corinthians 9:5 Are we saying that Peter and the others hated their wives and literally gave up their possessions as disciples of Christ, and then took it all back again after the Resurrection? That would seem pretty nonsensical, just as Christ wanting them to literally HATE their families in the first place or to put real wooden crosses on their backs and walk after Him. How can you take only the last sentence literally? Is that discernment? Therefore, that is not what Jesus taught. Rather, I hold that the passage illustrates something that Paul writes in Philippians: "But whatever things were gain to me, those things I have counted as loss for the sake of Christ. More than that, I count all things to be loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them but rubbish so that I may gain Christ, and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith" --Philippians 3:7-9 Caunting things as "loss" (including possessions and human relationships) in light of Christ and actually divesting oneself of everything and everyone are two different things. The context of Luke 14:33 suggests that Jesus meant the former. --Joe! |