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1 | Does the OT talk about resurrection? | Matt 22:30 | CDBJ | 17340 | ||
It is interesting to note that the word actually used in the Greek is the word GINOMAI or he be gone, or to become something that he was not before, i.e. the protector of God's people as in Daniel 12:1 The word used in the Heb. Is the word AMAD, meaning to arise, cease, leave, rise up. We even do the same with the English translation with regard to the rapture: rise up to meet Him in the air and one shall be taken the other left. It seem we all know what that means though. I hope I didn't make it more confusing. CDBJ |
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2 | Does the OT talk about resurrection? | Matt 22:30 | Morant61 | 17380 | ||
Greetings CDBJ! I'm afraid I'm still confused! The Hebrew word 'Amad' is a Qal stem verb. The Enhanced Strong's lists the following definitions for it: ******************************************** 1) to stand, remain, endure, take one’s stand 1a) (Qal) 1a1) to stand, take one’s stand, be in a standing attitude, stand forth, take a stand, present oneself, attend upon, be or become servant of 1a2) to stand still, stop (moving or doing), cease 1a3) to tarry, delay, remain, continue, abide, endure, persist, be steadfast 1a4) to make a stand, hold one’s ground 1a5) to stand upright, remain standing, stand up, rise, be erect, be upright 1a6) to arise, appear, come on the scene, stand forth, appear, rise up or against 1a7) to stand with, take one’s stand, be appointed, grow flat, grow insipid ******************************************** The problem with correlating Dan. 12:1 with 2 Thes. 2:7 is that 'Amad' does not mean 'to disappear' or 'to be removed'. It means 'to take a stand or stand'. So, where did you get the definitions of 'cease, leave, and rise up'? I checked several sources and never saw those listed as options. Just curious! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | Does the OT talk about resurrection? | Matt 22:30 | CDBJ | 17475 | ||
This is from (www.signministries.org), they can explain it better then I can. A) Michael 1. Guardian of Israel Daniel informs us that the angel Michael is the prince of the Jewish people (Dan. 10:21; 12:1). In the 12th chapter, his role seems to be that of protector or guardian of the Jews. From the reference in 12:1 we also learn that the "time of distress such as never occurred since there was a nation until that time" comes upon the Jewish people following Michael's "arising", or withdrawal of his protection. 2. The Restrainer The apostle Paul tells us in II Thessalonians 2: 6-7 of a restrainer who will hold back the intentions/efforts of "the man of lawlessness" until itÕs time for his revealing and the subsequent prophesied Day of the Lord. The restrainer can only be Michael the archangel, Israel's prince, who stands guard over Israel as well as the spiritual kingdom of God, Old and New Testament alike. Satan will not have complete freedom to persecute Israel or the church in general - through Antichrist - until Michael's restraint is removed, permitting the purge of Israel foretold by God through His prophets, and the "fiery testing" of the church foretold by the Apostles of Christ in the New Testament. Contrary to much popular interpretation, there is no scriptural basis for identifying the restrainer either as the Holy Spirit or as the church. On the other hand, Michael is called by Daniel the one who "stands firmly against" or "restrains." The word for "arise" in Daniel 12:1 in the Hebrew is 'amad' and it means to "stand up or stand still". The Midrash (1st Century Jewish commentary of the Old Testament) says of this verse, "The Holy One, Blessed be He, said to Michael, 'You are silent? You do not defend my children'". (ca. II Sam. 2:28; II Kings 4:6 for other uses of 'amad') You are far better at the Heb. then I am. You are taxing this old man pretty good, but don't quit! CDBJ |
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4 | Does the OT talk about resurrection? | Matt 22:30 | Morant61 | 17486 | ||
Greetings CDBJ! I'm very comfortable with Greek. I use it all the time. However, my Hebrew is very rusty. I took it during the year that I lost my 9 month old son to heart failure. So, I really don't remember all that much. Having said that, I would have to disagree with their analysis of the meaning of 'amad' in Daniel. Here is why: 1) 'Amad' in general means to stand up or rise, not leave. 2) 'Amad' is used 36 times in Daniel alone. All of the occurances seem to fall into 3 possible meanings. a) To stand physically. b) To be able to stand before a king or ruler (ability) c) To appear 3) 'Amad' is used twice in Daniel 12:1. To make it mean 'leave or disappear' in the first instance and to mean 'guard' in the second instance would not make sense. I'm not saying that it is not possible that Michael is the one referred to in 2 Thess. 2:7. I'm just saying that the word 'amad' just doesn't support the interpretation of Dan. 12:1 as saying that Michael withdrew or left from his support of Israel. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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5 | Does the OT talk about resurrection? | Matt 22:30 | CDBJ | 17488 | ||
Well that's OK that's why it's a forum, but for my money Michael fits better then the other two scenarios. The results match up, the timing is right, and it makes sense. Someone once said, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck, it's probably a duck. I don't know where that came from either, but it makes sense. Maybe we should approach II Thess. 2:7 from another tack and see how or why the other scenarios work or don't work, since you are better at the Greek. You lead off and I will try to chime in on your suggestion with my rebuttal. The defense rests, or sits down! CDBJ | ||||||
6 | Does the OT talk about resurrection? | Matt 22:30 | Morant61 | 17490 | ||
Greetings CDBJ! Thanks for the interaction! I'll start a new thread on 2 Thes. 2:7 so that this one doesn't get too clutered. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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