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1 | Heb 6:4-6 | Matt 12:31 | kalos | 151361 | ||
It is impossible for them to be brought back to repentance. ____________________ "Those who want to make this verse (Heb. 6:6) mean that believers can lose salvation will have to admit that it would then also say that one could never get it back again." ____________________ Hebrews 6:4,6 (NIV) (4) It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit,...(6) if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace. "...logically v. 4 implies that if salvation were to be lost, it would be impossible for that person to be born again, lose it, and then be born again again. This much is clear: whoever openly and consciously rejects Jesus Christ is unregenerate even if he seemed to have been saved ealier." Whether he had lost his salvation or never had it to begin with, "either way, the result is identical." (Note at Heb. 6:4ff, NRSV Harper Study Bible) "The 'impossible' of v. 4 goes with 'to renew them again to repentance.' Those who sinned against Christ in such a way had no hope of restoration or forgiveness. The reason is that they had rejected Him with full knowledge and conscious experience (as described in the features of vv. 5,6). With full revelation they rejected the truth, concluding the opposite of the truth about Christ, and thus had no hope of being saved. They can never have more knowledge than they had when they rejected it. They have concluded that Jesus should have been crucified, and they stand with his enemies. "For it is impossible to restore again to repentance those who have (done all these things in vv. 4-5) and then have fallen away." 'There is no possibility of these verses referring to losing salvation. Many Scripture passages make unmistakably clear that salvation is eternal (compare John 10:27-29; Rom 8:35,38,39; Phil 1:6; 1 Pet 1:4,5). Those who want to make this verse mean that believers can lose salvation will have to admit that it would then also say that one could never get it back again.' (MacArthur Study Bible, Word Publishing, 1997.) * * * * * * * * * * * * * www.seekfind.org Christian Search Engine The mission of SeekFind.org is to provide God-honoring, Biblically-based, and theologically-sound Christian search engine results in a highly accurate and well-organized format. |
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2 | Heb 6:4-6 | Matt 12:31 | Morant61 | 151371 | ||
Greetings Kalos! I have heard this approach to Heb. 6:4-6 many times, but there is another possibility. Repost: ************************************** The usual approach to Heb. 6:4-6 is to either say that it can't happen or to say that once it does happen, it can't be undone. However, I found some interesting information the other day. The two participles in verse 6 could be either causual or temporal. If they are causual, then Heb. 6:6 is saying that those who haven fallen away cannot be renewed to repentance BECAUSE they have crucified Christ to themselves and are making a public spectacle of Him. However, they could very well be temporal. In this case, Heb. 6:6 would be saying that those who have fallen away cannot be renewed to repentance WHILE they are crucifing Christ to themselves and are making a public spectacle of Him. Of the two, I prefer the temporal view for several reasons. First of all, the participles are all in the present tense. It makes more sense to take this tense as a temporal, rather than a causual - though this is not impossible either. I would expect an aorist tense if a causual meaning were being expressed - point of action. Secondly, I would not expect the comma (which is in the Greek text) after 'repentance' and before the two participles if they were intended to be causual. The comma seperates them into a seperate clause. This is interesting though because the inability to be brought back to repentance would then only apply during the action expressed by the two participles. If the action were to cease, then the inability would no longer be in effect. ************************************* This is just my two cents my friend! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | Heb 6:4-6 | Matt 12:31 | kalos | 151378 | ||
"(...while, as long as) they nail upon the cross the Son of God afresh..." The Amplified Bible If they then deviate from the faith and turn away from their allegiance--[it is impossible] to bring them back to repentance, for (because, while, as long as) they nail upon the cross the Son of God afresh [as far as they are concerned] and are holding [Him] up to contempt and shame and public disgrace. Hebrews 6:6 The Amplified Bible Tim: Upon further investigation I have found that your two cents are the real thing, legal tender for all debts public and private. :-) You write: 'The two participles in verse 6...could very well be temporal. In this case, Heb. 6:6 would be saying that those who have fallen away cannot be renewed to repentance WHILE they are crucifing Christ to themselves and are making a public spectacle of Him.' I went looking to see how other Bible versions translate verse 6. Sure enough, several of them do support what you say, 'that those who have fallen away cannot be renewed to repentance WHILE they are crucifing Christ to themselves and are making a public spectacle of Him.' Notice in the following verses such phrases as "they are nailing", a form of the verb which indicates an action that is ongoing in the present. Hebrews 6:6 Holy Bible, The New Living Translation and who then turn away from God. It is impossible to bring such people to repentance again because they are nailing the Son of God to the cross again by rejecting him, holding him up to public shame. Good News Translation - Second Edition And then they abandoned their faith! It is impossible to bring them back to repent again, because they are again crucifying the Son of God and exposing him to public shame. GOD'S WORD Yet, they have deserted Christ. They are crucifying the Son of God again and publicly disgracing him. Therefore, they cannot be led a second time to God. Holman Christian Standard Bible® and who have fallen away, because, to their own harm, they are recrucifying the Son of God and holding Him up to contempt. Holy Bible, English Standard Version if they then fall away, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt. Tim, thanks for your accurate, informative input. However, I still firmly believe, based on many, many clear verses of Scripture, that eternal life, by definition, is not temporary and that one cannot fall from grace and lose his salvation. However, it is not the purpose of my posts in this thread to argue the point. Grace to you, Kalos * * * * * * * * * * * * * www.seekfind.org Christian Search Engine The mission of SeekFind.org is to provide God-honoring, Biblically-based, and theologically-sound Christian search engine results in a highly accurate and well-organized format. |
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4 | Heb 6:4-6 | Matt 12:31 | Morant61 | 151384 | ||
Greetings Kalos! Thanks for the kind words my friend! :-) Thanks also for the link to the Christian Search Engine. I have actually had the opportunity to use it several times thus far, and it is quite helpful. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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5 | Heb 6:4-6 | Matt 12:31 | kalos | 151392 | ||
Since they are crucifying the Son of God and then have committed apostasy,[6] to renew them again to repentance, since[7] they are crucifying the Son of God for themselves all over again[8] and holding him up to contempt. Hebrews 6:6 The NET Bible 7 tn Or “while”; Grk “crucifying…and holding.” The Greek participles here (“crucifying…and holding”) can be understood as either causal (“since”) or temporal (“while”). ____________________ www.bible.org/netbible/index.htm |
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6 | Heb 6:4-6 | Matt 12:31 | Morant61 | 151398 | ||
Greetings Kalos! I was just thinking that everyone might not be clear on the distiction between 'temporal' and 'causal'. Just for public record, 'casual' would indicate that they cannot be renewed to repentance because they have 'crucified' Christ afresh and are 'holding' Him in public disgrace. Thus, they could not ever be renewed to repentance. However, 'temporal' would indicate that they cannot be renewed to repentance 'while' they are doing these things. If they ceased to do these things, nothing in the text would indicate that they could not then be renewed to repentance. I favor the latter position for several reasons. 1) There is no helping word like 'hoti' to indicate that the two verbs are being used in a causual sense. This does not absolutely rule the causual meaning out, but it is strong evidence against it since these helping words are usually used in these cases. 2) The second reason I favor the latter is that the puncuation is also strongly in favor of the temporal view. A casual clause is not usually seperated from the rest of the sentence by a comma. Of course, the puncuation is not original. 3) Finally, I favor the temporal view because there is not a single other verse in Scripture that indicates some point where someone cannot repent. So, to view Heb. 6:6 as causual would be a 'doctrine' without any other Scriptural support. I hope this clarifies things a bit for the forum. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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7 | Heb 6:4-6 | Matt 12:31 | candy lee | 151631 | ||
Thank you. Heb 10:29 If they receive understanding of what they do and are truly sorry for it and ask for forgivness why would God turn away from the sinner who truly repents? And is it not written that all sins can be forgiven except blasphmy against the Holy Ghost? Reason 3. I found your post to be the most helpful in the understanding of this passage. | ||||||