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1 | origin of the devil | Ezek 28:13 | humbledbyhisgrace | 184231 | ||
Greetings Jonp! Redirecting me to another post which you feel answers my questions is fine. Also, let's not consider our discussion of the word of God to be an attempt to "alter an entrenched position". Hopefully it is two brothers in Christ seeking to understand God's word and help others to do so as well. I think it is obvious even the brethren or still seeking to understand all that God has revealed to us through His word. Having said that, I think it’s important to establish my beliefs of God’s word a bit to you as you are new to the forum and we don’t know much about each other. To sum it up, I’m a Sola scriptura kind of guy and in my efforts to understand scripture look to scripture to interpret scripture. As such, one of the rules of thumb that I use when seeking God’s truth is to try and always be mindful that if at any time the interpreted presentation by myself or someone else appears to be pointing to mankind and not God I have to reject it as I no longer have any trust in the corrupted nature of mankind. Moving on, I will again point to the context and maintain I find nothing in the context that would indicate 3:22 refers to an "angelic court" just as I do not believe the text / context of Genesis 1:26-27 refers to an "angelic court”. Neither do I find in this post or your previous on the matter scriptural validation of your teaching. I guess at this time we will just have to agree to disagree. Perhaps the discussion should end as it appears a great risk to me when we start attributing the things we (mankind) do as validation of what God would do and/or as acceptable practice of interpreting His word rather then focusing on scripture. I say this with respect but to me the risk of misleading others when this is done is great! God Bless, Steve |
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2 | origin of the devil | Ezek 28:13 | jonp | 184258 | ||
Hi Steve. May I say that I have no objection to entrenched positions. I have a number myself and two of them are concern for the glory of God and a recognition that Scripture is the sole authority for our knowledge of God as it shapes our inward awareness of God. But I am unable to agree that we should not use 'worldly' illustrations. I have often been blessed by a good 'worldly' illustration, and Jesus used them often. Perhaps my illustration could be interpreted in the wrong way. Unfortunately this is true of all illustrations. Someone will always pick up the wrong angle. It is even a problem for our Lord Himself. You only have to read commentaries on the parable of the Unjust Judge to realise that. The point behind my illustration was that when someone says 'let us --' it does not necessarily signify that all are going to take part in the action. Perhaps a better illustration might have been a committee. All the committee may be called on to back a proposal but it does not involve them all in the action. Quite regularly the proposer is left to carry out the action with the full agreement of the committee. (And please do not come back at me because you do not like the idea of God being on a committee :-))). It is simply the principle which is involved, not the fine details). And I am quite happy to exchange 'heavenly court' for 'heavenly companions' or heavenly escorts' or 'heavenly servants'. All I really wished to say was that God wanted to involve His heavenly servants in the same way as He seeks to involve us. There does not seem to me to be anything degrading about that. Indeed it appears to me to reveal infinite condescension and love. But I may be alone in this (although actually I am not as a vast number of commentatotors agree with me) but I really cannot see how 'the man has become like ONE OF US' can be seen as simply indicating the triunity of God. It would be exalting man to far too high a plain, especially as it was very much sinful man who was in question. I had not intended to say anything more on the subject, (although not for the reason that you gave), but thank you for giving me the opportunity just to add these final explanations Cordial best wishes Jonp | ||||||