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1 | origin of the devil | Ezek 28:13 | humbledbyhisgrace | 184178 | ||
Greetings Jonp! Thanks for responding! Let me respond to the question regarding the church and satan first. I agree, our only hope against satan and evil is in God. I would think it foolish of us to think on our own we could stand against satan or even our own sinful nature without Him. The word clearly teaches us the lost are dead in their sins, a slave to sin, their hearts hardened against God, unable to please Him and cannot even subject himself to God (Ephesians 2:1; Romans 6:17, John 8:34, 2 Corinthians 4:4, Ephesians 4:18, Romans 8:7-8). So I think it’s safe to say without God we cannot stand against satan. From scripture it would appear to me satan has no opposition from us at all without God interceding. What I would disagree with is the teaching that the church (the body of Christ) even in it’s infancy as you say would not have lasted 5 minutes. The fact is, the head of the Church is Christ Himself (Ephesians 1:22, Ephesians 4:15, Ephesians 5:23, Colossians 1:18). There is no denying satan is powerful, but to say Christ church was or is in danger of not lasting because of him I fear is misleading and could be confusing to some. This could lead to the belief / teaching satan is on equal footing with God which in turn could lead to all kinds of false teachings and beliefs (My opinion). I don’t believe that was your intent so please understand my motives are to try and clarify for myself and others reading along. Your thoughts on this? In regards to “the angelic court are assumed in God's words 'Let us make man in OUR image' (Genesis 1.26)”. Genesis 1:26-27 (NASB) 26 Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." 27 And God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. I don’t see where the text allows for an “angelic court” interpretation. Verse 26 says “…Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness…” Verse 27 says “And God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him …”. We know from scripture God created man and He created man in His image. Let me make sure I’m not misinterpreting you. When you say “the angelic court are assumed in God's words 'Let us make man in OUR image'” are you saying that it is assumed that God was talking to the angels when he said “Us and Our”? The scriptures you reference (1 Kings 22.19, Daniel 7.9-10) does not support that assumption nor does the text of Genesis 1:26-27 in my opinion. I’m not aware of any scripture that would lead us to believe man was created in the image of God and the angels nor that the angels had any part in the creation of man. Your thoughts? God Bless, Steve |
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2 | origin of the devil | Ezek 28:13 | jlhetrick | 184189 | ||
humbled, Thank you for your question to Jonp regarding the reference to Gen. 1:26-27. If you look below you will see that I was also trying to address this but was unable to articulate the question as well as you were. In any case, I do believe that if the "us" referred to God and angels verse 27 might look quite different. Just my thoughts, God bless, Jeff |
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3 | origin of the devil | Ezek 28:13 | humbledbyhisgrace | 184195 | ||
Greetings Jeff! Yes, I would think verse 27 would not read as it does if that were the case. I would think there would be other scriptures as well that read different then they do if that were the case! Also, thank you for your kind words! The truth is, I find it heard to articulate a discussion on the forum many times as with only text as the medium we always risk appearing argumentative or as if we assume authority of scripture when trying to discuss opposing views and/or seeking clarification on something. That's why I like forum members like Sister Azure around. She has such a graceful way with her words it is a good reminder and influence on the rest of us :-) By Faith, Steve |
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4 | origin of the devil | Ezek 28:13 | jlhetrick | 184196 | ||
I agree and I particularly appreciate our sister Azure as well. Haven't seen anything from her lately but I do miss a lot with only being able to log on for short periods some days. By the way, I hope to encourage you by saying that regarding the regular posters, you represent the top one percent in terms of responding with grace. I'm afraid I often come across on the other end of the spectrum and I guess recognizing this is at least a step in the right direction. God bless, Jeff God bless, jeff |
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5 | origin of the devil | Ezek 28:13 | azurelaw | 184322 | ||
Dear brother Jeff and Steve (Humblebygrace), I happened to see my name's been mentioned with your kind words and compliment which I don't deserve when I am reading this interesting subject "origin of the devil" along the thread. I miss all you guys on the SFB even when I am quite busy for these few weeks with certain personal things (e.g. we have just had our celebration of the Chinese Lunar New Year, my new ministry at church, reading books which takes me time to digest and ponder). Most of the time, I think I prefer reading your posts and posting my own questions instead of giving any commentary as I lack the ability (I am still learning) and speed (you guys are posting fast and doing a wonderful job, ha..ha..) even when I spot some doubtful posts. Though I was a grown-up at church, I had wasted many years without seriously studying God's Word. I always warn myself with this verse : Matt 19:30 But many who are first will be last; and the last, first. Though this is not your tradition, I would like to greet you all a very prosperous (in terms of treasure of God's kingdom) year of Pig. Shalom Azure |
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6 | origin of the devil | Ezek 28:13 | jlhetrick | 184323 | ||
Sister Azure, bless you and thank you for your kindness. Speaking for myself, and I believe others would agree, there are many things that you contribute to the forum that are as productive and as much a blessing as what others may have "learned" about the scriptures. Your humility, your grace, and your sincere honesty are treasures of Scripture that many of us know very much about but few are able to live them. I just want you to know that when I read your posts, it is these things in you that cause me to strive ever harder, making me aware of my own shortcomings. God bless your church ministry and all you do. We understand when you have to be away for awhile but please don't forget about us. You are a pearl. Sincerely, God bless, Jeff |
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