Subject: Can I help you? |
Bible Note: Hank, Thank you for the excellent reply. I obviously see those scriptures differently than you. I certainly understand why you believe what you believe, and I hate to dismiss this topic simply because of the "limitaitons" of this forum. Regarding Romans 5:12, it is easy for me to understand that "through one man, sin entered the world." After all, someone had to sin first, right? However, I will point out that all that applies to is the introduction of sin. Just like through one God Man entered the world. Man wasn't here, and then he was. Seems to me to be the same case with sin in 9:12. 5:18 is similar, sin was here, so God passed judgement, where there was none before. Gods judgement concluded all had transgressed the Law (transgression; an act, not an accident or happenstance), and thus came condemnation. Besides, we have a just God, and where there is sin there must also be justice (reap what you so, etc.). 5:19 The one man's disobedience was directly linked to the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. With knowledge of good and evil comes the capacity for sin (the Law tells us so). With the Law, all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. It is not to hard to swallow that we are all "sinners." I must point out again that original sin directly contradicts Ezekial 18:18 through 18:20 as well as 1 Corinthians 10:13, and a number of other versus I have brought up in posts on this thread. Now, we know that God isn't going to contradict himself (same yesterday, today, etc.), so there must be a rational explanation for this contradiction. If man is brought into this world of a corruptable flesh with a sinful nature, well, there is a fine, scriptural explanation for this seeming ambiguity. Otherwise, I am unsure of how to explain the situation. I will point out again that, due to obvious contradiction, "original sin" cannot be the answer. As far as "orthodoxy" goes, I will gladly point out that just because something has been taught for a long time does not make it correct. We don't need to look very far to see this in application (wether secular or religious). |