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NASB | Revelation 7:9 ¶ After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands; |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Revelation 7:9 ¶ After these things I looked, and this is what I saw: a vast multitude which no one could count, [gathered] from every nation and from all the tribes and peoples and languages [of the earth], standing before the throne and before the Lamb (Christ), dressed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands; |
Subject: Pure joy in Heaven? |
Bible Note: “Emmaus made a very interesting comment: "How do you know Jesus does not make Himself known to them at the moment of their death and let them make a decision? It is still through Jesus."” To say that this happens just because I cannot prove it otherwise does not make it so. ”The revelation of Jesus (the Gospel) in the Old Testament was vailed. But by faith Jesus did make Himself known. Job spoke of his Redeemer:” When I buy something, almost anything nowadays, it comes with instruction in many languages. I throw away the French, German and Spanish ones because they are ‘veiled’ to me and I cannot understand them. On a similar note, the writings attributed to Nostradamus are constantly being reevaluated and reworked to fit our times as well. It was not through proof that God made himself known, but through faithful reponse to His word. How could it be any other way? Didn't Adam and Eve have all the proof they needed, and also Lucifer? Criminals "know" that police exist, but the state of sin they have does not stop their criminal behavior. What is better, reponse to "proof" or reponse to "faith"? “If Jesus is alive and a god, and Apollo is an idol and dead, what is the evidence, since the one is as invisible, as inaccessible, and as unproducible as the other? And, if faith that Jesus is a god proves him a god, why will not faith in Apollo make him a god? But if worshipping Jesus, whom for the best part of the last two thousand years no man has seen, heard or touched; if building temples to him, burning incense upon his altars, bowing at his shrine and calling him "God," is not idolatry, neither is it idolatry to kindle fire upon the luminous altars of the Greek Apollo, --God of the dawn, master of the enchanted lyre--he with the bow and arrow tipped with fire! I am not denying," I said, "that Jesus ever lived. He may have been alive two thousand years ago, but if he has not been heard from since, if the same thing that happened to the people living at the time he lived has happened to him, namely—if he is dead, then you are worshipping the dead, which fact stamps your religion as idolatrous."” Author: M M Mangasarian God created the angels and gave them freewill and power, so from this point, where did evil come? Did Lucifer create the evil? Did God create it so that Lucifer and the others could have freewill? ”You remind me of Ateo. If you are he then I am still looking into your questions and plan to get back to you. Also, keep going to church. Try to find a knowledgable friend that will not mind answering your questions in person.” I am not Ateo, but if he questions are in line with mine, maybe you could let me in on that conversation. I said "You can't even prove, in the sense you are talking about, that your own great great great grand mother existed, except by the fact of your own existence." You said: "Again you are going off track. My great great great grand mother is not said to have the power to come and go as she pleases. We know and understand how procreation works and since I was born before test tube babys, it is easy to deduce that she existed." You either completely missed my pointed or did not comprehend it. And when you quoyed me you left out the very sentence which made my point. Logical decuction is not the phsyical proof you are demanding here. In fact I made the same logical deduction about the existence of God, which was the portion of my post that you chose not to quote. I disagree, you are trying to prove that God exist simply because I can’t not physically prove my ancestor existed. The inability to prove one that is obvious proves that the other must therefore exist. I attempted to point out that there is proof that my ancestor(s) did exist. Science can very simply prove that. I could not at this point tell you their names, where they lived or what they did for a living. But I can stand here and tell you, through scientific facts, which they did exist. All I am asking for is scientific proof that God exists. “When, therefore, we learn that Josephus, for instance, who lived in the same country and about the same time as Jesus, and wrote an extensive history of the men and events of his day and country, does not mention Jesus, except by interpolation, which even a Christian clergyman, Bishop Warburton, calls "a rank forgery, and a very stupid one, too," we can be reasonably sure that no such Jesus as is described in the New Testament, lived about the same time and in the same country with Josephus. The failure of such a historian as Josephus to mention Jesus tends to make the existence of Jesus at least reasonably doubtful.” Author: M M Mangasarian This is my understanding to date. “We only know what we think we know.” That is why I seek more knowledge. If you show me evidence the Bishop Warburton was incorrect in his statement, I will then become more enlightened. |