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NASB | James 2:19 You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | James 2:19 You believe that God is one; you do well [to believe that]. The demons also believe [that], and shudder and bristle [in awe-filled terror--they have seen His wrath]! [Deut 6:4; 11:13-21; Mark 12:29] |
Subject: Is God ONE or is God THREE? |
Bible Note: Greetings, believer57. You have consistently avoided answering the points that I have made that unequivocally show the untenable nature of your position. I just went back through this thread to make sure that my memory was serving me correctly. Instead of making slanderous statements about you, I choose to believe that you simply cannot answer these questions. Instead of doing something silly like posting a scoreboard, I am content to let things be. However it begins to appear that you are ignoring what I have written and are simply jumping from pillar to post to keep from being pinned down. I challenge you, my friend, to reread my previous post of 2/28/02 with an "open" mind. Please do not take anything I have written as a personal affront to you. (If this is what you are calling theatrics, then I'm sorry... I don't know how else to convey my sentiments. I'm not trying to come across as a bully.) You state that I am not "correct" in my theology. If you cannot substantiate that claim with scripture, then you have libeled me. If you can substantiate that claim with scripture, then I will gladly declare to this forum that you have shown by scripture that my theology was not correct. Your opinion does not determine what theology is correct or incorrect. The only "opinion" that is authoritative is that of the scripture. You state: "Sabellian was rightly labeled a heretic by people who knew scripture better than you or I, (and they were pre-Nicene creed)." It amazes me how you can make a judgment about how well I know the scriptures. It is perfectly fine for you to say these folks knew the scriptures better than you, because you have a fair assessment of how well you know the scriptures. The fact that you have no qualms about making assertions concerning things about which you have no certain knowledge causes me to have grave misgivings concerning your ability to accurately reason at an extremely analytical level. As to the writings of the ante-Nicene "Fathers", it is obvious that the trinitarian doctrine, though formally accepted at the Council of Nice, 325AD, was being formulated for many years before that. However, a careful study of the scripture shows that no such doctrine existed in the days of the apostles. If I am to be labeled a heretic for merely believing what the Apostles taught, then you will be forced to label the Apostles as heretics. You state: "We must adhere to the Word of God, and how the Holy Ghost reveals it to us." If this means I will be required to accept post-Apostolic writings as superior to Apostolic writings, then I cannot agree. I contend that the Holy Ghost will not make someone say something different or better than what the Apostles said. You write: "Of course you adhere to the teaching of men, (Sabellian). You can do better that, can't you?" Indeed I can. I don't think I have ever even read any writings of Sabellius; if I have, I can't recall. I have read about him. But I don't preach a doctrine founded by Sabellius; I preach a doctrine founded by the Apostles and Prophets, with Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone. You speak of 'those who choose to "spiritualize" text.' I guess there are many differences of opinion as to where "spiritualizing" is permissible and where it isn't. You write: "According to your theology, the Father suffered on the cross, (Patriapassianism)." This is as bold a prevarication as I have ever seen. According to my theology, the Father is Spirit. The Father was in the Son, and the Son was in the Father. The Son suffered on the cross, yielded up the spirit of the Father that was in Him, and died. It is impossible for God the Eternal Spirit (the Father) to die. You speak of "accusations of personal attacks". Friend, the proof is in the posts! I have never attacked you or your character. You, on the other hand, have consistently made false accusations against me, libeled my character, and made all sorts of unsupported claims about my motives, my past, and my knowledge. You wrote: '"The Lord said unto my Lord..." Did I miss your response to that one?' The 110th Psalm is clearly a prophecy of the coming Messiah. This prophetic utterance merely foretells the fact that the Messiah (Christ, the Son) will be the Father's instrument of salvation and judgment. I'm not sure what your question is all about here. If you cannot understand the dual nature of Christ (both humanity and deity) then this scripture will remain a mystery to you. Kind regards, Tim D. Cormier Tennessee Preacher |