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NASB | James 2:19 You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | James 2:19 You believe that God is one; you do well [to believe that]. The demons also believe [that], and shudder and bristle [in awe-filled terror--they have seen His wrath]! [Deut 6:4; 11:13-21; Mark 12:29] |
Subject: Is God ONE or is God THREE? |
Bible Note: Pastor, I think my son did an outstanding job of refuting modalism. I think this has gone on far enough. You are unwilling to bend, (I actually admire that), but are not correct in your theology. I have been praying for guidance with regards to heresies in the church. They abound around us. Sabellian was rightly labelled a heretic by people who knew scripture better than you or I, (and they were pre-Nicene creeed).This was the reason I quoted their sayings regarding modalism. It, in my belief, simply does not make sense, nor did it to them. I do not understand these "offshoot" theologies, but they are here and I am trying to. You make statements like "you must" and that is simply not true. We must adhere to the Word of God, and how the Holy Ghost reveals it to us. I see what you are trying to prove, but it just does not make any sense. You deceive yourself, my friend. The thought of mentioning an animal like Adolf Hitler, in the same sentence as some of our church fathers, tells me that you have reached the desperation point. Of course you adhere to the teaching of men, (Sabellian). You can do better that, can't you? We can argue all day over whether a fire truck is red or not, (it is), but this will get us no where. It is frustrating dealing with the heresies that have sprung up, but it is something that us Christians must do. I apologize if this debate got a little "spicey", but my son is zealous for his Lord and Saviour, and he is not very patient with those who choose to "spiritualize" text. The Word does NOT say Jesus prayed from one part of himself to another, but if that is what you see, then so be it. According to your theology, the Father suffered on the cross, (Patriapassianism). I am not buying, nor are most of us, (praise God!). I did not mean to assume the posture of personal attacks, but my son is correct in his assessment. I too, have engaged "unitarians", and other "modalists", and it ALWAYS gets down to accusations of personal attacks, when they are overwhelmed with scriptural evidence contrary to their theology. It also appears evident, that their theology is almost entirely based in the Pauline Letters. This is consistent with Peter's warning, (2 Peter 3:16). Paul's letters to the churches were in response to problems in the church, but were not meant as foundational doctrine. You should know this. Are his letters the inspired word? Absolutely. It appears that your "cornerstone" is Colossians 2:9. This is clearly an example of "spiritualizing" scripture. Paul did not mean that Jesus was the completeness of the Father, and the Holy Spirit, encapsulated, so that the other two are not co-existent. Of course not. He is declaring the deity of Christ, whom had been annointed with the Holy Spirit. How many times does Paul, along with the prophets, and Christ himself, tell us that He was SENT? Too many to respond to. I understand. Did Jesus tell us that He would SEND a part of himself? Of course not. All Three are alive and well, my friend."The Lord said unto my Lord..." Did I miss your response to that one? I thought so... ( My son's signature means 50 MM Holy Ghost Cannon!). He is an arrow in my quiver....And to think, he started off as a "unitarian".He is now a spirit-filled Christian, a member of a rather large, non-denominational church in San Antonio....The Truth is indeed powerful, and it will set you free.. Remember, you started this, (Is God one or three? Please, spare me the theatrics. This is what you wanted..). Problem is, I am a player, and will play all night.. I do hold the popular, traditional view, it has worked pretty good so far..Why don't you? Oh, ALL of us are wrong, and your small number is right? Seek and preach the Truth, your ministry will explode....You have passion, the harvest is plenty... we need labourers..Jump on, the hour is late... God Bless.....believer57 |