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Subject: Is baptism done only once? |
Bible Note: Congratulations! You have once again demonstrated complete theological ignorance, as well as declaring the apostles to be apostate. Namely, you wrote: "the only trick is what the church has been doing to these people all these years and now are going to be exposed with holy spirit...again if you are not a jew water baptism "never" applied to you!" Well, it seems that Paul baptized a few Gentiles in his day... "I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, so that no one would say you were baptized in my name. Now I did baptize also the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I do not know whether I baptized any other." --1 Corinthians 1:14-16 I guess you know more than Paul did, but hey, he was only an ignorant apostle, not a wise man with a modem! You also wrote: ".and if jesus specifically wanted man to use water...then he would have told his apostles after pentecost to use water but he did not!they did until the holy spirit told them otherwise!" So what you are saying is that the apostles were baptizing with water for years and years, and then in Acts 11, the Holy Spirit suddenly told Peter that EVERYONE had been doing it wrong? Great timing on God's part, there! How ridiculous. You also asserted: 'god "never" leaves any of his work for man to do..it has always been the holy spirit doing the teaching...not a preacher,reverend of the pope" Oh really? No teaching by man? "And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third TEACHERS, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, various kinds of tongues." --1 Coritnhians 12:28 "And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and TEACHERS" --Ephesians 4:11 "Let the word of Christ richly dwell within you, with all wisdom TEACHING and admonishing one another with psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with thankfulness in your hearts to God." --Colossians 3:16 Hmmm...seems the Holy Spirit uses MEN to to a great deal of His teaching. Now let's look at baptism. If the Holy Spirit is the one baptizing, and men do not play a part in it, why does Jesus tell his disciples to baptize people? Were the disciples supposed to baptize them in the Holy Spirit? The men Jesus commissioned were certainly supposed to be involved in the baptism in SOME way. You wrote: '"MAN" has taught water baptism in the church but now....it is the spirit....and where in ephesians 4:5 does it say water?' Nowhere. And when it talks about people eating something, they don't always say they ate FOOD! You know why? Because all but the most obtuse people understand that the baptism that people perform on other people is done with water. You wrote: "peter had the holy spirit and still used water but was corrected and said this....Acts 11:16" So Peter baptized Cornelius and his family with the Holy Spirit? If that is so, he does it in a most interesting way: "And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days." --Acts 10:48 He ordered WHOM to baptize them? The Holy Spirit? Peter was bossing God around? See, this is what happens when people disconnect themselves from the church's 2000-year history regarding the apostolic tradition. I have shown you that just about every sentence you wrote in this post is simply wrong. You reference to Galatians was so out of left field that it doesn;t even merit a response. Where exactly do you go to church that water baptism is not performed? I suspect that you in your infinitessimal wisdom and your Bible decided that you were right on this, and forget about EVERYONE else who is misguided, because the "Holy Spirit has shown YOU the truth"! Please get yourself under some sound teaching, because that kooky voice in your head that you are listening to is not the third Person of the Trinity. --Joe! |