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NASB | Romans 8:29 For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 8:29 For those whom He foreknew [and loved and chose beforehand], He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son [and ultimately share in His complete sanctification], so that He would be the firstborn [the most beloved and honored] among many believers. |
Subject: Free will and predestination co-exist? |
Bible Note: Hi E; Sorry for the delay in responding to your note. Once more we see the danger of quoting me out of context, for if you had presented the above in the context of all of my correspondence to Mark, you would see the error of Mark, which is belief from the heart that is not FIRST changed by God, before we can be said to believe right. If I showed respect toward Mark above this sincerity of the word of God, and allowed Mark to continue setting forth his error of saving faith in us from our old hearts, he would be deceiving me, and many others. Obviously I respect the truth of the word of God more than some implied insensitivity, which I am alleged to have had toward Mark. My only apology is in the fact that I am sorry for all who are overly offended by the truth, which I hope they can read and consider diligently. The Scripture makes it very clear that we are to bear with a little folly from the brethren. I need make no apology for a little folly, because this is to be received, in this present time. Because I love you, I am not offended at your folly also. I can overlook it and work with you, for your edification. You may say whatsoever to me, and I can bear with it, but if what you say conflicts with the word of God, rest assured, I shall inform you of your error. This is love, which is not secret, but rather is open and rejoicing in the truth (1Cor. 13:6). Now you are correct that if deceptive testimonies, which are against the truth ARE continued in, this would tend to make the testifier guilty of deception, and in danger of becoming known as antichrist, because the Father and the Son are not found in deception against the truth. Rather they are found in the doctrine of Christ, which requires that we have both the Father and the Son (2Jn. 1:7-10). I believe that Mark is in Christ: meaning;- within the death and resurrection of Jesus; but I do not believe that Mark is of God: meaning;- within the work of God, so that he could be in Christ with the Father. In answer to your objection to my use of 2John, I would remind you that the full context of these verses is found in the following statement: The GRACE from BOTH God our Father; and our Lord Jesus Christ (2Jn. 1:3). Mark is in danger of NOT being in accordance with the will of God, which is after GRACE from God our Father; and our Lord Jesus Christ (Gal. 1:4-3). Without God separating us by His grace before we are born from our mother’s womb, the grace of Christ is being removed from our gospel message too (Gal. 15: and 6). If this is continued in with knowledge, then we are found willfully troubling those of grace with a perverted gospel of Christ (Gal. 1:7-6). I hope that you too might consider this faithful position, herein outlined within the context of all of my correspondence, so that you too could agree with grace, grace. This presentation of grace, grace is found within the first few verses of 17 of the 24 book that make up the NT. No, I have not been judgmental, for we all should know that the judgment of God is according to the truth (Rom. 2:2), which you and I can have the honor to present unto those who need to hear it. Lest they also find themselves changing it (Rom. 1:25). For the (coming) judgment of God is coming upon those who continue committing THIS THING, changing the truth, for it is worthy of death, in the coming judgment of God! (Rom. 1:32 with 25). The only outstanding question is: Do you have pleasure in the changing of the truth? Jesus told us that only the truth can make us free (Jn. 8:32). Within the context of this verse (vs. 40), we find the following truth: We need to be OF God the Father (8:42). Do you understand THIS speech? (8:43). If not you may have another father, and you are probably in your own will being done, because THIS truth is not in you (8:44). Those who are here may well be in the mystery of the workmanship of Satan (2Thes. 2:7-9). This is because they have not received a love of the truth. This is why they are in some deception (2Thes. 2:10). There is nothing but damnation unto those who cannot believe the truth, and who would rather believe a lie (2Thes. 2:12-11). I don’t think that you are here, because I believe that you can diligently consider all of these things and come to the truth by the Spirit, so that you can be seen to be in the salvation of God, which is through sanctification, because God chose you from the beginning (2Thes. 2:13). All that I have set forth herein is the good hope through grace, which should be a comfort unto us (2Thes. 2:16-17). Blessings in your gracious responses, which I would rather love to respond to. ZtheBerean |