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NASB | Romans 8:29 For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 8:29 For those whom He foreknew [and loved and chose beforehand], He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son [and ultimately share in His complete sanctification], so that He would be the firstborn [the most beloved and honored] among many believers. |
Subject: Free will and predestination co-exist? |
Bible Note: Hello Mark, YOU stated: God brings to us the message of faith, that if we believe in our heart, and confess with our mouth, we will be saved. I am NOT supprised that you do not wish to "debate" with this kind of theology. You need to remember that God needs to give us a NEW heart, without which our faith is dead, although our lips can honor Him, our hearts are far from Him. Your belief system has you believing with your old heart, which is deceitfully wicked, and who can know it? No, I have no living hope in your faith, which is conditioned upon having a wicked heart, which is deceived. Rather God needs to give us a new heart, so that it could be said that we are His people. If you are humbled by God's word, you can find this truth in many places, and once you have found it, you should ask God to give you a new heart, so that you can have a living faith, which is moved by grace in the power of God in our Lord Jesus Christ. If you are unable to receive this truth, you may have no further reply, and I shall not need to speak to you again. However, if you wish to continue to reason against the Scriptures, you must know that I can continue to set forth the truth, which you cannot do anything against. It would be better for you and everyone else, if you could confirm that YOU also needed to have God give you a new heart before you could have a living faith too? Whenever, you chose, you must agree with the Scriptures, God had already chosen YOU (2Thes. 2:14). If there is any further disagreement, you should focus on 2Thes. 2:13-14. Blessings in His grace, Ztheberean |