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NASB | Romans 8:29 For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 8:29 For those whom He foreknew [and loved and chose beforehand], He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son [and ultimately share in His complete sanctification], so that He would be the firstborn [the most beloved and honored] among many believers. |
Subject: Free will and predestination co-exist? |
Bible Note: Hi Mark, Thank you for agreeing in principle that it is by grace that we are made obedient to the faith. Now although you say that you agree, you then go on to disagree with this statement “it is by grace that we can have the obedience to the faith”. Your reasoning is confusing, for having said that our obedience is by grace, you then suggest that Romans 1:1-6 are only applicable to Paul. But Paul is merely telling us about this same obedience that we as Paul have to have, if we are to be in Christ by the power of Christ in God. Your attempt to limit Paul’s presentation to himself only, is defeated by vs. 7, wherein Paul tells us that this message of grace through the power of Christ is subject to God our Father. And so Paul then adds that all that is of God in this grace is subject to the will of God (Rom. 1:10). Paul giving us an example of the fact that it is God who is moving him, and not Paul himself, is the whole point, which I hope that you don’t continue to miss, because you insist on just placing Paul here and not all who should be following Paul in Christ by the will of God. And so the gospel of Christ has to have the power of God working, if we are going to be able to believe (Rom. 1:16). I hope that you agree with me that believing is the obedience of the faith? Remember if you do agree that believing is the obedience of the faith, you have already stated that this obedience is NOT by our will-power, but rather it is by grace, which is God’s will-power. I hope that your gospel might include the power of God, which is according to His will being accomplished in Christ, so that you too could say that you are obediently living by faith through the power of God to work His will into our lives by grace. Another word for grace is GLORY (Rom. 1:23); The truth reveals the grace of God (Col. 1:6 cf. Rom. 1:25). Please don’t change this truth, lest you also change the glory, and God give you over to your own will be done. It was not our will that is to lead us, it is rather the goodness of God that is to lead us to repentance (Rom. 2:4). All of this is so that our faith could be acceptable to God in Christ. AGAIN: I hope that you agree with me that believing is the obedience of the faith? Blessings in His grace, Ztheberean |