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NASB | Romans 8:29 For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 8:29 For those whom He foreknew [and loved and chose beforehand], He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son [and ultimately share in His complete sanctification], so that He would be the firstborn [the most beloved and honored] among many believers. |
Subject: Free will and predestination co-exist? |
Bible Note: Hi Mark, There are a few statements that you made that I would like to comment on using the scriptures. You wrote: God's criteria for choosing, as He alone has the right to set the criteria, in not those who were born in the right family, but those who have faith. Ztheberan writes: We need to receive grace in order to be obedient to the faith (Rom 1:5); and faith comes by the hearing of the word of God. (Rom 10:17) You wrote: The Scriptures are filled with references to man's choice being essential to salvation, and that God only saves those willing to be saved. Ztheberan writes: The godly are delivered out of temptations, but the SELF-WILLED are reserved for the Day of Judgment, because they are presumptuous(2Pet 2:9-10); We need to be delivered out of an ungodly will that cannot be soberly under the control of God, so that it could live godly in this present world (Titus 2:12); Thus Christians should NOT be SELF-WILLED. (Titus 1:7)For we ought to say, If the Lord wills, we shall do this, or that (James 4:15); Anything other than this is boasting which God calls evil. (4:16) You wrote: We are saved through faith, not faithed through save. Ztheberan writes: We are saved by grace through faith which is not of ourselves (Eph 2:8,5); meaning of our work, so that we would not boast.(Eph 2:9)But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.(Acts 15:11) Who hath saved us, and called [us] with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began. (2Tim 1:9) I hope these scriptures are edifying to you and thank you for your comments. Blessings in His grace, Ztheberean |