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NASB | Romans 8:29 For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 8:29 For those whom He foreknew [and loved and chose beforehand], He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son [and ultimately share in His complete sanctification], so that He would be the firstborn [the most beloved and honored] among many believers. |
Subject: Free will and predestination co-exist? |
Bible Note: Hi ebrain, We don't have free will because God chooses us first and then He frees our will to choose Him. (Rom 9:11, 15-16,18,21-23) It is GOD (who chooses then we can choose). Thus it is God who works in us to make us willing (to be believers who are willing to do) so that we could do His will for His good pleasure. (Phil 2:13) It is hardly possible to place our so-called free will into this presentation of the Scriptures, because without God working, who could be doing, and willingness without doing ability is only for those who are merely deceiving their own selves (Jm. 1:22). And so if we place free will into this setting, we find ourselves deceived, and unable to perform. I don't believe that this is a safe place to be in Christ. If you feel safe here then you are in danger of being reckoned as one who is self-willed. It's not such a great leap from free-willed into self-willed. In any event, I don't see any advantage in standing in either will, because I see them both as one and the same, for both of them are of self, and Jesus tells us to deny SELF. Now back to Enoch and Job: These scriptures are for all whom God has chosen including Enoch and Job. The godly are delivered out of temptations, but the SELF-WILLED are reserved for the Day of Judgment, because they are presumptuous(2Pet 2:9-10); We need to be delivered out of an ungodly will that cannot be soberly under the control of God, so that it could live godly in this present world (Titus 2:12); Thus Christians should NOT be SELF-WILLED. (Titus 1:7)For we ought to say, If the Lord wills, we shall do this, or that (James 4:15); Anything other than this is boasting which God calls evil. (4:16) I think the misunderstanding is about our free will verses our will being freed by God in which I gave the scriptures to try and show that it is God who frees our will so that we can choose Him. We cannot have power over God's will, we are just the clay. (Rom 9:21)NO man can resist God's will. (9:19) I hope you will meditate on these Scriptures that have been given to you asking the Lord to reveal His truth unto you without a quick response. Blessings in His grace, Ztheberean |