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NASB | Romans 10:17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 10:17 So faith comes from hearing [what is told], and what is heard comes by the [preaching of the] message concerning Christ. |
Bible Question (short): Joe, is your reasoning not circular? |
Question (full): Dear Joe, I wasn't defending the Mormons peeing at all. I agree with you 100 percent that God works internally thru His Word as well as externally through others to teach us His Word. I have no problem with that assertion at all. I never said that it wasn't important. I said that it was not absolutely necessary, it is not essential, it is not a requirement. It is 'icing on the cake.' And, again, in order to make a determination of whether you are being taught 'sound' doctrine from another human being, one would do well to first study the doctrines directly from the Word relying on the Holy Spirit's illumination and one would do well to know something about the human being doing the teaching. If you have a problem trusting the Holy Spirit to lead you into all truth, then your problem is with Him, Joe, not with me. I believe what He says. It is a process. And truth is embodied in Jesus Christ. Yes, Joe, 'the external teaching of others HELPS hold us to sound doctrine as we biblically evaluate what is said.' But to do so, we must have a plumb line. How do you know whether what is said is sound, brother? Just because it is taught? You frequently remind me that you feel that all that I know is what I have been taught by those from DTS. If that were true, which it is not (I grew up in NY), then you would have no right, sir, to question my beliefs because I would have been doing EXACTLY what you are insisting here. I would have been sitting under the external teaching of people who claim, right or wrong, to be teaching the truth of God's Word. Joe, you can't have it both ways, brother. You can't criticize me (or you shouldn't) for believing a certain way BECAUSE of what I have been taught and then turn around and say that EXTERNAL teaching is just as viable as what the Holy Spirit does? There has got to be a plumb line somewhere, Joe. For me, it is God's Word. Yes, there is a dynamic. But, if forced to choose, I would rather trust the Holy Spirit then men. Fortunately, brother, I don't often have to make that choice. In Christ, Bill Mc |