Prior Book | Prior Chapter | Prior Verse | Next Verse | Next Chapter | Next Book | Viewing NASB and Amplified 2015 | |
NASB | John 8:41 "You are doing the deeds of your father." They said to Him, "We were not born of fornication; we have one Father: God." |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | John 8:41 "You are doing the works of your [own] father." They said to Him, "We are not illegitimate children; we have one [spiritual] Father: God." |
Subject: Defending themselves or accusing Jesus? |
Bible Note: Ed, As you are aware you have to go to modern books for such a suggestion. It is not Scriptural. Nor is there any proof that such a tradition occurred in the times of Jesus. I am sure you are aware that the idea is taken from Deuteronomy 22.13-21 where it ONLY occurred if the husband made a public charge against his wife to the courts. The bloodstained sheets would then be produced. Thus it would not occur if the husband knew that they had had sexual relations during betrothal. With regard to the stoning, that would not have been allowed by the Romans. As far as we know it was only allowed in exceptional cases for blasphemy. We do not know what punishment would be meted out in such a case as deuteronomy speaks of. As everyone is so keen on quotations, let me quote what H L Ellison (a Jewish Christian consrvative scholar) says, 'He (Jesus) was not conceived until Mary was legally married. Betrothal was legally marriage'. Thus he sees things the way I do. I have already demonstrated that Jewish Halakhic tradition clearly states that the offspring born out of a betrothal situation was NOT seen as illegitimate. In which case there was no shame of fornication. Do you not find it interesting that the Jews never brought that particular matter up either when Jesus was alive nor after He was dead, even when the virgin birth had been publicised? Lol if I know young men and their propensities I am sure that premarital sex during betrothal happened quite frequently. And no one has yet produced a jot of Scripture which says that it was condemned, although I do not doubt that it was frowned on by many. Best wishes. |