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NASB | John 8:41 "You are doing the deeds of your father." They said to Him, "We were not born of fornication; we have one Father: God." |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | John 8:41 "You are doing the works of your [own] father." They said to Him, "We are not illegitimate children; we have one [spiritual] Father: God." |
Subject: Defending themselves or accusing Jesus? |
Bible Note: God's day to you, biblicalman, Unlike the generations discussion, you think this "subject appears to be getting out of hand". I have Biblical proof to show you are incorret, as well as a link to the Jewish Encyclopedia and another link. There is a difference between a betrothal/engagement in the Bible ('aras (Hebrew) mnesteuo (Greek)) and engagement of today. An engagement today is an unenforceable promise, while a betrothal is. You are partially right, the two ways out were divorce (Deu 24:1) or her death. But, they were not husband (man) and wife (woman). Deuteronomy 22:24 is the only exception of the verses you cited. The wife is what was wanted ... the betrothal/engagement was the process. If betrothed woman had sex with a man other than her husband, the Bible gives the death penalty. If she consents (does not cry out), both are killed (Deu 22:23-24). If she cries out, only the man dies (vv 25-27). Note that if she is not betrothed, the man is forced to marry her (vv 28-29, Exo 22:16). Yes, sexual intercourse is a way a woman is acquired as a wife. But, were they betrothed/engaged? If he finds out she is not a virgin, and the charges are true, she is stoned to death (vv 13-21). This implies they had no sex before the wedding. The man could put her away (divorce her), if he wanted (Mat 1:19). There was a procession where bridegroom would come inviting friends and family (Gen 29:22; Mat 22:1-10, 25:1-13; Luk 14:8; Jhn 2:2). It was only after the wedding feast that Jacob went into Leah, thinking it was Rachel (Gen 29:22-23). Deuteronomy 20:7 shows that betrothed man lived in his own tent and was not “shacking up”. She was still in her father’s tent (Gen 21:21). Hebrews 13:4 says “Marriage is to be held in honor among all, and the marriage bed is to be undefiled; for fornicators and adulterers God will judge.” So those who are betrothed should not have sex, since they are not married. The Mishnah is Pharisaic oral traditions and they twisted the Torah to their wants and whims. Your Rabbi Joseph quote is missing "of the age of 3 years" http://www.angelfire.com/bug/answering/age3.htm ... I hope you disapprove of this. I DO. Search for "betrothal" in http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com Read http://www.biblestudymanuals.net/jewish_marriage_customs.htm Searcher |