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Subject: Isn't Jesus Christ the True Isael to who |
Bible Note: Hi KINDNESS, You have expressed some good thoughts and I appreciate your personal growth and praise of God. I see where you are coming from as far as the location of worship is concerned for John 4:20. I wanted to get back to it for there was more of interest for this discussion of the vine or Vine. I think we have agreed that Jacob is not the true Vine even with his name change to Israel. He is the same Jacob, hopefully changed after his struggle with the Angel, just as we are part of the new "Israel" when we accept the promises of God in faith. But we're just part of the body of Christ; we are branches and Jesus is the true Vine. It is when we capitalize Vine (at least in our minds) that we can know the Deity of Christ and can compare it to John 4:23, "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth;..." I wanted to go back to John 4:20 to look at it differently than you did. I suggest that you look at the "you" or "ye" of the KJ and the "we worship what we know" of the NASB, and the "We worship what We know" of the NKJ and see if we can, as you have written, "focus on the one true living God and Father of all who are born of God." The King James does not have a "people" or "Jews" in its copy. It is in italics for the NASB and NKJ showing that it is not in the Greek. Thus, I would capitalize the You and the We worship what We know, or even make it "I worship what I know". Do you see where I am coming from as far as seeing the true Vine? Your Romans 12 reference is a good one for comparison with John 4:20. The "You people say that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship" would relate well with Romans 12:5, "so we, who are many,*are one body in Christ*, and individually members one with another." I would love to talk with you about John 17:17 and the "truth" and also John 8:30 concerning knowing the "Truth" . But I think that these other things should be on a different posting so that others can enter in easier. May I suggest that you compose another posting so that you can get more of the thoughts of others on the forum. Lets stay with Israel and the Vine here. Later, Ray |