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NASB	Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple.
AMPLIFIED 2015 2015	Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life [in the sense of indifference to or relative disregard for them in comparison with his attitude toward God]--he cannot be My disciple.

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Bible Question: Searcher, I will ask you to forgive my ignorance before-hand as I don't know the original languages.

But please allow me to examine this from a couple of different angles to see if I understand.

"to have one's mind changed so that he lives a new life and one conformed to the will of God"

As I understand it, repentance also means "to change one's mind." So what is the difference between repentance and being born-again?

Also, could you clarify this concept a little concerning who does what? In other words, I could change my mind or God could change my mind. But is it proper to say that I can cause myself to be born-again or is it something that God does for and in me? What is my role in the event?

Do you think that being born-again is merely a non-substantive change in the way one thinks or do you think that there is actually a substantive (although not physical) change in the nature or spirit or soul? In other words, is being born-again really being a "new creation" in Christ or is it just a new-improved creation or is it just the same old creation who tries to think and act differently?

I know that these are alot of questions. But I do wonder about the meanings behind much of "Christianese" and what we really believe when we say something.

(I wish there was a way to "bump" this to a new thread. This could turn into a rather lengthy discussion.)

seeking4truth

Bible Answer: Seeking4truth, Looking at your question of being born again. I would like to give you my interpretation, John 3:6, That which is born of the flesh is flesh. The flesh here is the physical or biological part of humanity. Jesus was born into 1st Adam. 1st Adam was earthly, sinsual, develish. As we are all born into 1st adam we all die in the flesh. And that which is born of the spirit is spirit Jesus was the last, Adam. We as christians were born into 1st adam and we will live in last Adam. Being born again, is not only in the mind. people who are only born again in the mind generally fall at the first sign of trouble. There is no rooting or strength within them selves, they are still in 1st adam. There are what I call Part time Christians. Undependiable, easyly swayed by all forms of doctrine and weak in faith. Being born again is a reversal or regeneration of you soul and spirit. That person within you who makes you, you.Its what makes us who we are. Being born again, is the willful change of who we are not just in mind but in soul and spirit. A complete change of ourself.Doing away with mans ignorance, wisdon, knowledge and understanding. And accepting, spiritual visions, kingdoms,dominons,mysteries and regeneration.Being able to say that I am not the center of the universe but I am who I am by the grace of God. Being able to look at others welfare better than your own.This is my thoughts .DL5

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