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NASB | Matthew 16:18 "I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Matthew 16:18 "And I say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades (death) will not overpower it [by preventing the resurrection of the Christ]. [Eph 1:22; 4:15; 5:23; Col 1:18] |
Subject: "upon this rock I will build my church" |
Bible Note: If you are willing to read the book "Understanding the Difficult Word of Jesus" by David Bivin and Roy Blizzard then we can continue this portion of the discussion. Every point you make is discussed in the book. Many of your points are true, but do not support your conclusion. Bivin and Blizzard are not a couple of uneducated authors. They have great authority to write on this topic. Once someone on the Forum will be willing to read current scholarship on this topic, I see no point in continuing to debate among ourselves. After all, we are mostly going to quote commentaries, books, and articles we agree with and none of us have the background to speak with authority. If this is the case, then we aught to look to true experts in language, archeology, history and Biblical study. Most people quoted in this forum on this issue are experts in Biblical study, but not in the other areas of study. I would rather actually STUDY the issue and how it impacts our understanding of Jesus and His teachings. I believe that once the true conclusion is reached, it does impact our understanding of Jesus teachings. Others disagree with me, which is fine, but they also never ventured to find out either. In might be noted that some of the major Aramaic proponents have altered their views in light of the Dead Sea Scrolls. M. Wilcox writes: “…the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls . . . The non-Biblical texts show us a free, living language, and attest to the fact that in NT times, . . . Hebrew was not confined to Rabbinical circles by any means, but appeared as a normal vehicle of expression.” Note he used the word “fact” and he preciously argued for an Aramaic source and was a student of Matthew Black who himself in his third edition to “An Aramaic Approach to the Gospels and Acts” remarks on this issue. Again, current study has overturned the Aramaic idea, but unfortunately it may take a generation of scholars to filter the new understanding down to the common lay scholar. Should you or anyone on the forum be willing to read a short book I’ll gladly continue the discussion and gladly read any book suggested as well. (I LOVE BOOKS) MJH |