Subject: Genesis 3:1-7 |
Bible Note: OK Joe, it's a given that the apparent reading of the scripture favors a rejection of what I'm seeing. What I'm saying is that Genesis 4:1a applies to Abel, and Eve wrongly ascribes it to the Lord. I'm seeing two children in the womb from seperate impregnations, and Genesis 4:1,2 does not disallow that. I can sense your anger, and frustration at this, but all I can do is commend you for your patience, and re-iterate that I'm considering a real understanding which I hold to, and which does not by any means live or die in the rending of this verse. Joe:--We already discussed 1 John 3:12. Paul:-- Sorry, but sometimes it takes a couple of passes to get these things into focus. Joe:-- We were ALL of the wicked one until God called those whom he elected to justification and adoption. Paul:-- Not "of" the wicked one, which Cain is shown as here as in distinction to Abel, but rather in boundage to, deceived by, willfully following, whatever, but NOT OF. I think here you find yourself on the wrong side of a logical reading of the verse. Joe:---Cain's and Abel's spiritual differences cannot be attributed to genetics. Paul:-- the appearance of these things into a creation of GOD inhabited by a spiritual son can be. Joe:--- It is nonsense, completely unsupported by Scripture. How does Branhamism account for two brothers of the same parents in today's world, one a Christian and one not? Paul:--- It's clear that we're all a mixture in our flesh, and that we're called by faith to live through our spirits in believing GOD for the revelation of His Son there by faith. Joe:--- It is failure to take responsibility for our own personaly depravity, our own treasonous rebellion against a holy God. Paul:--- No it calls sons of GOD to declare their heritage in the only possible way-in the person of GOD. We are to recognize and acknowledge the personal depravity which we expressed in taking the headship of our GOD given lives. We are to change our minds, and take our lives as sons formed under the headship of GOD through the attonement, and in the person of our Lord Jesus Christ. Joe:--- "He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will" --Ephesians 1:5 Paul:--- This was true before any of the things we are looking at. Joe:---Those of us who are God's children are ADOPTED, not natural children of Him. Paul:--- Thats right, if we were not REDEEMED into GODS expressed life(Jesus) we'll inherit the judgement of GOD as to our love of the deeds of our sensual life. Our flesh is hoplessly bound to the devil: why?? Our spirits are willing: why?? Joe:-- This is a spiritual relationship of Fatherhood and sonship, for we were all "children of wrath" before conversion (Ephesians 2:3). Paul:--- because of the corruption of our souls by the flesh(Romans 8:13). Joe:---And why did God adopt us from Satan's "family" into ours? It was "according to the kind intention of His will," not because of our genetic link to him in some crazy way. Paul:--- He adopted(brought to sonship) us because this is what we were created for in His love. He allowed Romans 8:20 to fulfill Romans 11:32 and bring us though our desire(formed by GODS desire twords us, revealed) to Himself. Paul:---In regards to your response to Amos 3:6; we receive whatever GOD sends us in His wisdom in conforming us to sons in Christ. Teaching, exorting, pastoring, prophesying do not cease in Christ, but rather are received PERFECTLY in our Lord, the very thing we could not do with GODS wisdom twords us. The "voice"(prophet) of Revelation 10:7 brings GODS word to clarity before GODS people, who perfectly receive it, because Christ is now their life(Romans 8:9). Your last paragraph is an opinion, and I don't regard the person of man to state such things as fact, again shutting out any input GOD may initiate. Your in Christ, Paul |