Subject: Genesis 3:1-7 |
Bible Note: Okay, Paul, I'll bite (pardon the pun). Very appropiate pun it is:) Joe:---What do you mean when you say that God maintained "a pure PHYSICAL lineage from Adam to our Lord"? You keep repeating this, so what is the purity of which you speak? Do you mean that all of those between Adam and Jesus were morally perfect? Please explain yourself here. Paul:---I believe Adam was created the son of GOD in the sense of conception. By this i mean that every father has in his heart a desire or vision of who his son will be, and birth begins the interaction between father and son as to what the reality of the son will indeed be. GODS revealing of His Son was determined before the foundation of the world as GOD can perfectly execute His desires where man cannot. Anyway with the birth of cain I believe we have an expression of life among men which is directly opposed to GODS Son being revealed in flesh. This life expressed in Cain is not in GODS thinking regarding the life of His Son, so while all flesh became defiled in the mixture of fornication(reproduction outside of GODS desire) GOD maintained a lineage free of this mixture unto the revelation of His promised Son. In regards to the wheat and tares, please read Matthew 13:37-43 where Jesus explaines the parable to His disciples. Here we have an enemy planting sons after the good man did. To me I see this reality in the scriptures. A man of GOD declaring GOD word to the people, and a man or group of men on the scene directly opposed to what GODS man is bringing, with the vast majority of people somewhere in between in the valley of decision. Look at the religious leaders affecting the multitude who had been blessed, and pricked by Jesus ministry in Matthew 27:20. Dathan and Korah directly opposed Moses. It seems to me that as there is a pure seed(Jesus), there is also a truly reprobate seed, and both are desiring to draw men to themselves. I believe the VAST multitude of us are a mixture of the two, and in need of redemption to be found in GODS Son, as sons. Of course your thoughts on false teachers is valid, but here we're talking about the origons, and embodiment of these false teachers. Joe--- In John 8, we see Jesus calling the Pharisees children of the devil (John 8:44) while at the same time acknowledging that they are physical descendants of Abraham like He is (John 8:37) The Pharisees and Christ share a common physical lineage, but they are children of the devil and he is the Son of God. Paul--- the more i talk with you, the more I appreciate your fellowship(not flattery, just the way I see it)Your thoughts are well conceived in the word of our Lord, and if I am barking up the wrong tree, I think you'll get me to see it. The promise went through Issac, which means to me that the Lord is vigilent over this lineage due to possible mixture from the wives who are not mentioned in the lineage. Anyway that GOD can do this is not an issue. I know you'll have a bad response to this, but maybe Romans 9:7,8 will help. As does Roman 8, it seems the flesh is to be removed from consideration by GODS promise. The mixture of these things is not in question, but the origon of them is. Joe:---The Bible also says that we are ALL by nature children of the devil until God saves us and adopts us into His family (see Ephesians 2:3 to see our common spiritual parentage).---- Yes that we were held captive by the power of sin in our flesh is not debatable. That the source of this boundage came by a defilement of our GOD created flesh is. This is the devil perverting life in order to gain passage to our souls in order to oppose our spirits I believe. To be aware of this would be a part of GODS revelation to us, which comes through the hearing of His word. You are certainely making me think about what I've received as true. I believe if we perservere some these things will come into view as true, or false. |