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601 | Is God's will prosperity/healing always? | Rom 8:28 | gracefull | 68057 | ||
inmy heart, Thank you so much for these wise words. God bless |
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602 | Is God's will prosperity/healing always? | Rom 8:28 | gracefull | 68056 | ||
Hank, I have confidence that God is my Father and that Jesus is my Lord and that the Holy Spirit has been given to me to reveal the Word of God to me Spirit to spirit. I believe God through His word has provided all that I need to do the work I am called to do. I believe that divine provision, be that finances or healing, has been made and where I am all I need can be found. I believe that as I grow and step by faith the Holy Spirit will reveal gaps that give satan access to my life, property, or health and show me the way to victory. If you believe you are vulnerable to satan and that he is God's instrument of discipline, that is okey. And if you believe we are called to simply be an example to the world on how to endure satan's attacks, that is okey. I do not. I believe Jesus gave us authority over satan and any and all of his devices. If you believe the curse from the fall still has authority over you that too is okey..I do not. I believe Jesus came for the purpose of setting me free and giving me authority over satan, the curse and the flesh. I also believe that to walk in that is a choice each beliver must make for themselves. I will try very hard in the future not to enter these kinds of debates any more because it is impossible to communicate to people who have presuppositions about one's belief, because presuppositions constantly interject conclusions that are not stated. (ie If I believe divine healing is provided through the redemptive work of Jesus I can't possibly believe God is sovereign. Or..If I believe God obligated Himself by entering covenant with man I do not believe He is sovereign.)These conclusions are false. So you can believe whatever you like about what you think I believe. I am powerless over your choices..(notice I said I am powerless over your choices, I did not say God is) I respect your right to believe whatever you like because you belong to God. Have a blessed Thanksgiving |
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603 | Is God's will prosperity/healing always? | Rom 8:28 | gracefull | 67998 | ||
Ed..Where in heavens name have I said God heals everyone? Just look at every 3rd person you meet. But healing is PROVIDED. Wheather we receive it or not does not make the provision any less? I will not discuss this on this thread any more unless you can explain away 1Peter 2:24 who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes you were healed. We are the righteousness of God (God looks at us and sees us through Jesus shed blood..thus healing is provided through faith in the righteousness provided by Jesus. Why were many sick and dying 'not discerning the body of Christ'? 1 Corinthians 11:28-30? |
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604 | Is God's will prosperity/healing always? | Rom 8:28 | gracefull | 67987 | ||
Dear inmyheart. A friend on this forum told me that when the scripture has all been presented, the discussion will be reduced to the comparison of human experience. If God wills healing why is my very faithful and loving relative still sick? When It get's to this point there can be no further discussion. In one of my other posts I reminded toe reader that God's word is true regardless of our experience. I just hope to reach the place where I can post here without being attacked. It is wearying. God bless |
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605 | Is God's will prosperity/healing always? | Rom 8:28 | gracefull | 67986 | ||
This is true. Often the critics of the belief that God provided divine healing through the redemptive work of Jesus often use scripture about the attacks of the enemy, and the curses of sin at work to say it is God's will, ignoring the fact that satan is alive and well and at work constantly to steal, kill, and destroy! And that his works are not God's will. Did God create Satan to be our disciplinarian? Did God put him here to torment us so we would love God more? I do not know your stance but you did see through this one. Jesus came to set us free! God bless! |
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606 | Is God's will prosperity/healing always? | Rom 8:28 | gracefull | 67984 | ||
Hi stones. This post will be brief but I would like to take a moment to acknowledge you post and purhaps address a couple of you statements. Why did Jesus heal? Was it to establish His identity and set an example of compassion and service? Let me ask you a question? Did sickness come as a result of the fall of man thus the entry of sin in the world? Does God make us sick? Is satan God's instrument of discipline? The question asked of Jesus was 'was this man blind because he was being punished for his own sins or did the punishment for the sins of the parents fall on this man? There is an Old Testament scripture that speaks of generational curses(which I am NOT discussing here) but where escapes me at the moment. Jesus said neither. But to say that this sickness was the will of God is a stretch. Let me give you what I hear in this scripture. This sickness is not a result of personal sin, nor is it a generational curse (parents sin visited on the children). IVP New Testament Commentaries "Jesus shifts the focus, and instead of addressing the cause of the man's blindness he speaks of the purpose: so thework of God might be displayed in his life. We should not be concerned with assigning blame. Trying to figure out the source of suffering in an individual's life is futile given our limited understanding, as the book of Job should teach us. Rather, here is one in whom Jesuscan manifest God's works and thus reveal something about God himself and his purpose on earth." Here Jesus is not by ant means saying the blindness is God's will, but is in fact saying he is a good oportunity for God's will to be demonstrated. I do not believe Paul's thorn in the flesh was a physical sickness, disease, or infirmity base on verses 9-11 and the term 'messenger from satan'. "Why were people not coming to Jesus to ask for worldly wealth?" The grouping of healing and prosperity in a thread is wrong. They are two seperate provisions with two entirely seperate set of rules. I have not seriously addressed it here and can not. It is too large a subject. "the problem with name it claim it is we do the naming". Nothing could be further from the truth. This offensive 'label' implies something trur WOF beliveres do not believe. We do not name it and claim anything, but listen to the Holy Spirit and the Word for direction for our personal lives (God's will) and begin to apply faith to the revealed direction of God for us personally. We do believe God reveals through our surrendered heart (spirit) his will for us. Others see this and resent it when they do not understand our "naming" is based on the revelation of the Spirit and our "claiming" is based on the fact that we can receive nothing from God apart from faith. (spiritual immaturity does not understand that to ask out of God's will which would be asking to consume on our own lusts or asking not in love, or just not being familiar enough with the Lord's voice. Health and wealth are cheap victories....How can you say that? Jesus bore our disease in his own body! And the wealth is sending the gospel around the world. The scripture indicate we are to press in, overcome.. In Jesus Satan killed Job's children and as far as I can see, we have been given authority over the works of satan. This is my understanding... In Jesus |
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607 | Is God's will prosperity/healing always? | Rom 8:28 | gracefull | 67965 | ||
Statements like "Health and Wealth gospel". The reason this is wrong is because this statement implies absolute error when the fact is you just don't accept the teachings of others on this subject. That does not mean conclusively that you are correct. Your conclusions in fact may be incorrect. Others visiting should not be intimidated into not posting their understanding and maybe even revelations by such "labels". Yours was mild compared to some I received, and I respect your right to disagree. I expect the same respect. I have "labeled" no one's belief in such a manner. Thank you for asking. This demonstrates a genuine concern for others. New comers who do not have my strength of conviction on certain issues will run from this forum if they feel attacked for what they believe, rather than feeling encouraged to stay and discuss, learn AND teach. We could all be blessed by a less defensive attitude and a more gentle, humble spirit in our posts. God bless! |
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608 | Is God's will prosperity/healing always? | Rom 8:28 | gracefull | 67568 | ||
Hi Brad.. In addressing a question like this the first response to the question of God's will on a subject is go to the word on that subject. Motive or intent of the heart is very important in receiving any promise from God. Also our faith in His faithfulness to His promise is critical to receive, and our understanding of who we are in Jesus. The maturing process brings us more in line with God's will and His promises. John 4:48 You view this as Jesus doing signs and wonders to 'PROVE' himself. There are many scriptures that indicate Jesus did nothing to 'PROVE'. Notice in this text Jesus is asked to 'come down and lay his hands on the son'. The sign here is coming down, and Jesus did not go, but he did heal. Now look at the other scriptures where this is stated -signs and wonders or just seeks a sign- and you will find in each case Jesus refuses to give the sign.(here is no exception) To ask God for a sign is to tempt Him. Jesus healed because it is God's will and he healed out of compassion. Yes it is correct to study a subject from the entire Bible, but a good place to start is the new covenant, just as we usually direct a newborn believer to John to study the new birth. Healing and prosperity of any kind are not to prove God is God but simply from His grace provided through Jesus. Does that better explain my understanding? If my will and His will are the same He will do my will. His word is His will so if my will lines up with His word as revealed by His Spirit I am in His will and can ask what I will(because it is His will) and it shall be done for me of my Father. 1John 5:14 It is okey if you believe otherwise. Something else I believe is that the Holy Spirit is given to teach each of us as He wills and none of us will believe the same things. But I also believe ithis forum encourages various understandings. So we would have a much more growth oriented forum hear if snide or inflamatory remarks were excluded from the posts and respect could be shown for each other. In Jesus In Jesus |
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609 | Is God's will prosperity/healing always? | Rom 8:28 | gracefull | 67565 | ||
Absolutely not. We are promised persecution. Mark 10:30 Paul teaches us to rejoice in persecutions and view them as opportunities for God to show Himself strong through us. Persecutions force us to turn to and rely on God as our defense. God bless God Bless |
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610 | Why a thorn in the flesh? | 2 Cor 12:7 | gracefull | 67548 | ||
That is a very good conclusion. There is no reason to believe Paul had moved to another subject. These things would definitely buffet our flesh or carnal nature.(here Paul's was pride) | ||||||
611 | Is God's will prosperity/healing always? | Rom 8:28 | gracefull | 67547 | ||
Dear Makarios..I know someone from Haiti...they hunger for this truth, because they are well acquainted with the powers of darkness and how sickness and poverty come from satanic powers. They have witnessed the power of God that breaks these powers. It is inour country that satan has been reduced to only a notch above a myth and his works are being blamed on God. No wonder people are so confused when they hear God who loves them makes them sick and kills their babies. Forgive my passion, but these (what I believe to be religious lies) are robing people of what Christ provided through his redemptive work. Isaih 53 4-6 and Matthew 8:17 and the works and words of Jesus as recorded in the gospels should be enough to convince us that Jesus paid the price for our bondage to sin and it's consequences to be broken. In Jesus |
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612 | Operate on faith or endure? | Heb 11:1 | gracefull | 67436 | ||
Hi Meredith These are excellent scriptures. Thanks for this very good input! God bless! |
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613 | Operate on faith or endure? | Heb 11:1 | gracefull | 67383 | ||
Ues sir. My heart and soul! Any observations or interjections? This is by no means a private coverstion, and I believe this subject is critical to new believers. (which is where my ministry heart is) In Jesus |
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614 | Operate on faith or endure? | Heb 11:1 | gracefull | 67381 | ||
Sorry about the duplicate post. I hit the back button before the send process was complete so I thought it did not go. My computer is slow! |
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615 | Operate on faith or endure? | Heb 11:1 | gracefull | 67380 | ||
Hi Ed..Before we jump ahead on our responsibilities in the covenant let's establish God's part. That seemed to be in question and if God has not obligated Himself to keep His part of His covenant then the rest is not relevant. To choose life is to enter into covenant with God. To be born into His kingdom He becomes ours and we become His. Jesus said all authority has been given unto me both in heaven and in earth, now you go....JESUS IS LORD OVER THIS KINGDOM WE ARE IN. Not our responsibility or the benefits of the covenant. It is very important that believers settle in their heart that God is faithful to His word first and totally(whether the promise is receive Jesus and go the heaven, reject him and go to hell) or any of the others. A personal note here is that until I came to this established faith in God to keep His word, my confidence even in my salvation wavered from time to time. Fear would set in that God would or had changed his mind because i was not perfect, not worthy. Then I found out God is faithful to His promise no matter what and gained peace to move forward in faith and begin to grow up in Him by believing other promises.. Next being the baptism of the Holy Spirit, the next being the gifts...Until our faith in His faithfulness to His word. Then we must consider our part. Luke 14:27-29 Jesus says take up the cross and follow him and advises to 'consider the cost'. I had to break this morning so was unable to getto the other points, several you brought up. I would like to start with Hebrews 6:13-18 I brought up verse 13 and had to sorten my statement so did not go into verses 15-20 16 Human beings of course swear by someone greater than themselves, and an oath given as cinfirmation puts an end to the dispute. In the same way when God desired to show even more clearly to the heirs of the promise the unchangeable character of his purpose, he guaranteed it by an oath so that through two unchangeable things in which it is impossible that God would prove false(lie), we who have taken refuge be strongly encouraged to seize the hope set befor us.... God swore by Himself the covenant he made with Abraham and Jesus is the final sacrafice providing us with that covenant. Matthew 13:34-35 Jsesus told the crowds all these parables; without a parable he told them nothing. This was to fulfill what had been spoken through the profit: I will open my mouth to speak in parables; I will proclaim what has been hiddn from the foundation of the world. Hebrews 4;2 For indeed the good news came to us just as to them; but the message they heard did not benefit them because they (message) were not united with faith with those who listened. For we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said "As in my anger I swore, they shall not enter my rest," though His works were finished at the foundation of the world. God decided to make a covenat provision for man before the foundation fo the world. But as we see here in Hebrews 4 the words were not 'united' or as the KJ says the words were not 'mixed with faith' so God angrily said they shall not enter my rest. But throughout these scriptures is woven in the faithfulness of God to His promise, our confidence to go boldly into His presence throught the blood, and how He WANTS us to have this confidence and assurance. So when I say God has obligated Himself and He is faithful I am giving Him high praise, not exalting myself! I consider it an insult to God to say that He might or might not keep His words of promise! God decided before the foundation of the world because He knew man would fall to establish a covenant promise that would ultimately bring Jesus and provide the New covenant promise of His law written in our minds and our hearts.. Though there are many other scriptures, for me these establish God's faithfulness to His covenant with man. As you pointed out quite well, there are conditions IN the covenant man must keep. What are these conditions? According to Hebrew 4(see above) faith is the first and foremost requirement. Faith in Jesus, faith in the word of promise, faith in God's faithfulness. Second...getting into the covenant to find out what it says, what are the conditions for certain promises, What Is His Will for me? Spending time with Him in His word and in His presence to be 'transformed' into the likeness of Jesus. Are we on the same page? If not let's work here a while longer. God Bless you my brother |
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616 | Operate on faith or endure? | Heb 11:1 | gracefull | 67379 | ||
Hi Ed..Before we jump ahead on our responsibilities in the covenant let's establish God's part. That seemed to be in question and if God has not obligated Himself to keep His part of His covenant then the rest is not relevant. To choose life is to enter into covenant with God. To be born into His kingdom He becomes ours and we become His. Jesus said all authority has been given unto me both in heaven and in earth, now you go....JESUS IS LORD OVER THIS KINGDOM WE ARE IN. Not our responsibility or the benefits of the covenant. It is very important that believers settle in their heart that God is faithful to His word first and totally(whether the promise is receive Jesus and go the heaven, reject him and go to hell) or any of the others. A personal note here is that until I came to this established faith in God to keep His word, my confidence even in my salvation wavered from time to time. Fear would set in that God would or had changed his mind because i was not perfect, not worthy. Then I found out God is faithful to His promise no matter what and gained peace to move forward in faith and begin to grow up in Him by believing other promises.. Next being the baptism of the Holy Spirit, the next being the gifts...Until our faith in His faithfulness to His word. Then we must consider our part. Luke 14:27-29 Jesus says take up the cross and follow him and advises to 'consider the cost'. I had to break this morning so was unable to getto the other points, several you brought up. I would like to start with Hebrews 6:13-18 I brought up verse 13 and had to sorten my statement so did not go into verses 15-20 16 Human beings of course swear by someone greater than themselves, and an oath given as cinfirmation puts an end to the dispute. In the same way when God desired to show even more clearly to the heirs of the promise the unchangeable character of his purpose, he guaranteed it by an oath so that through two unchangeable things in which it is impossible that God would prove false(lie), we who have taken refuge be strongly encouraged to seize the hope set befor us.... God swore by Himself the covenant he made with Abraham and Jesus is the final sacrafice providing us with that covenant. Matthew 13:34-35 Jsesus told the crowds all these parables; without a parable he told them nothing. This was to fulfill what had been spoken through the profit: I will open my mouth to speak in parables; I will proclaim what has been hiddn from the foundation of the world. Hebrews 4;2 For indeed the good news came to us just as to them; but the message they heard did not benefit them because they (message) were not united with faith with those who listened. For we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said "As in my anger I swore, they shall not enter my rest," though His works were finished at the foundation of the world. God decided to make a covenat provision for man before the foundation fo the world. But as we see here in Hebrews 4 the words were not 'united' or as the KJ says the words were not 'mixed with faith' so God angrily said they shall not enter my rest. But throughout these scriptures is woven in the faithfulness of God to His promise, our confidence to go boldly into His presence throught the blood, and how He WANTS us to have this confidence and assurance. So when I say God has obligated Himself and He is faithful I am giving Him high praise, not exalting myself! I consider it an insult to God to say that He might or might not keep His words of promise! God decided before the foundation of the world because He knew man would fall to establish a covenant promise that would ultimately bring Jesus and provide the New covenant promise of His law written in our minds and our hearts.. Though there are many other scriptures, for me these establish God's faithfulness to His covenant with man. As you pointed out quite well, there are conditions IN the covenant man must keep. What are these conditions? According to Hebrew 4(see above) faith is the first and foremost requirement. Faith in Jesus, faith in the word of promise, faith in God's faithfulness. Second...getting into the covenant to find out what it says, what are the conditions for certain promises, What Is His Will for me? Spending time with Him in His word and in His presence to be 'transformed' into the likeness of Jesus. Are we on the same page? If not let's work here a while longer. God Bless you my brother |
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617 | Operate on faith or endure? | Heb 11:1 | gracefull | 67363 | ||
PART 2 So far we see a covenant God made to write His laws in our minds and hearts... So the covenant is not just to go to heaven. When the Spirit of truth has come, He will lead and guide you into all truth. And als the Spirit of God is the revealer of the Word from the heart of God.. 1 Cor. 2:9-15 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen nor ear heard, neith have entered into the heart of man, the things which God has prepared for them that love him. BUT God hath revealed them unto us by His Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea the deep things of God....Now we have received not the spirit of this world, but the spirit which is of God: that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Spirit teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual... vs 15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. Siverign: Supreme in rank, power, and authority Hebrews 6:13 When God made promise to Abraham, because He had no greater by wwhom to swear, He swore by himself... Galatians 3:1 The promise of Abraham is received by faith. vs 7 know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham? I have to close now. The Covenant was given by God who in His sovereignty was able to make and keep this covenant. He has bound Himself (see obligation) to His word of promise. The covenant is not merely eternal salvation but all the promises in the book finally provided once for all through our high priest Jesus who is the mediator of this new covenant. And the Holy spirit is the teacher, the revealer of this covenant to each of us personally. Though we are not al at the same place spiritually, not all in the same classroom so to speak, we are all (all who have entered the covenant by faith through Jesus shed blood) being taught according to His plan and purpose for each of us. So we will all do well to remember who the teacher really is, make sure we are hearing Him, and judge no one. We will have to talk more later, I have to go. God Bless! |
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618 | Operate on faith or endure? | Heb 11:1 | gracefull | 67362 | ||
Hi Ed. Sorry I am late. I have been having technical difficulty. This response may be broken up into several small continuations. Let's begin with the issue of obligating God. The misconception seems to be that I believe God is obligated to my faith, even if I ask against aHis will. I have never said that, nor have I heard anyone else say that. Since this response is not to defend KC I intend to state my belief according to what I see in scripture. Covenant: 1.A formal agreement 2.the conditional promises made to humanity by God as revealed in scripture. Hebrews 8:10-12 (God speaking) This is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall not teach one another or say to each other, " Know the Lord" for they shall all know me, from the least to the greatest. Obligation: the act of bining oneself, a duty, contract, promise, a social, moral or legal requirement that compels one to avoid or follow a course of action. If God initiated the covenant, has He not obligated Himself to keep it? Hebrews 10:19- Thereforem my friends, since we have confidence to enter the sanctuary by the blood of Jesus, by the new and living way that he opened for us through the curtain(that is through his flesh) and since we have a great priest over the house of God, let us approach with a true heart in full assurance of faith, washed with pure water. Let us hold fast to the confession of hope without wavering FOR HE WHO PROMISED IS FAITHFUL. Continued........ |
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619 | Satan can't read minds | Jeremiah | gracefull | 67271 | ||
I tend to agree that Satan himself is not omnipresent, but I also know from scripture that he has many helpers. I also believe we can't blame every bad thought on demonic forces. John 8:43-44 Why do you not understand My speech? (Jesus speaking) Because you are not able to listen to My word. You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. Observation-In order for a liar to be a liar he has to have someone to hear his lies. There are numerous scriptures that indicate we are in a war and that we have an actual enemy Satan who (as in the parable of the sower) comes to steal the truth when it is sown. I think it is wise to understand this truth so we can be concious of his deceiving lying self. If we atribute all thoughts to our own reasoning we are less likely to recognize it and bring those thoughts into captivity, but are more likely to sit and reason with them reasoning away the truth sown. Matthew 13:19 If we are not aware to the tactics of our enemy, we are more susceptible to be entraped by him. Do you believe that we are spirit, soul, and body. And that the spiritual rhelm is where our battles are fought? Ephesians 6:11-13 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, agains spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. But we have no reason to fear because He that is in us is greater than he that is in the world. But we must not be ignorant of his devices. 2 Corinthians 2:11 (this is speaking of forgiveness but the word 'devices' tells us there are more than one. Our mind is merely a processor for information. So words spoken to us or impressions from satan that enter the mind are powerless. It is when the are held and enter the heart that they become sin. The mind must be disciplined. Matthew 5:21-30 Sin is a heart matter. The same is true of the Holy Spirit. He speaks to us but if we do not take it to heart (believe) we will not be changed or obey. (From the abundance of the HEART the mouth speaks.) We do not need to fear satan (demons)speaking to us but rather be aware of their deceptive strategies so we do not fall prey to them in ignorance. Becoming familiar with the voice of the Holy spirit's 'voice' will make us more keenly aware of the the devil's 'voice', like black and white. Feed back? God bless! This is what I believe and why. In the love of Jesus, |
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620 | Satan can't read minds | Jeremiah | gracefull | 67195 | ||
Hi searcher, I tend to agree that Satan cannot read our minds, but is there scripture somewhere that says he can speak to us? The first thing that comes to mind is Jesus on the mount of temptation. How did Satan communicate with Jesus? Just a thought. On the Holy Spirit putting thoughts in our minds, these scriptures come to mind. Read them and tell me what you think. Mark 13:10-12 And the gospel must first be preached to all nations. But when they arrest you and deliver you up, do not worry beforehand, or premeditate what you will speak. But whatever is given you in that hour, speak that; for it is not you who speak, but the Holy Spirit. John 14:25-27 These things have I spoken to you while being present with you. But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your rememberance all things that I have said to you. In Jesus |
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